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Daniel 2:21 - It is He who changes the times and the epochs; He removes kings and establishes kings; He gives wisdom to wise men And knowledge to men of understanding.
God is in control. That doesn't mean the person he "likes" is the one who is going to be president; it means that he has a master plan and he puts people in positions because they are part of his plan.
I don't think Christians pray so much that McCain will win or that Obama will win, but that God's will be done...
Actually I think if Obama becomes the president we are closer to the "end times" than a lot of people think. I know a lot of you don't believe in all that, which is fine. I'm just constantly amazed at what has been said and how it is coming to pass before my eyes. I'm not going to go all evangelical Christian on you, or argue with anyone about it, or even respond to posts about it. But you asked what role I thought God plays in elections and I'm just sayin'...
While I bbelieve this whole thread belongs elsewhwere let me just add:
IF there IS a god and IF he has any control or plan or opinion for anyone or anything be it a football game , a car race, or a war...then why doesn't he make things better for the earth?
What's he diddling around for?
IF you think he cares who wins then why didn't he care that we got into this mess in the first place?
I can understand believing in a god but to think he/she/it has any DIRECT influence at all is preposterous!
While I bbelieve this whole thread belongs elsewhwere let me just add:
IF there IS a god and IF he has any control or plan or opinion for anyone or anything be it a football game , a car race, or a war...then why doesn't he make things better for the earth?
What's he diddling around for?
IF you think he cares who wins then why didn't he care that we got into this mess in the first place?
I can understand believing in a god but to think he/she/it has any DIRECT influence at all is preposterous!
I thought I had mentioned it in this thread in simple terms, but it may have been some place else. I suggested to someone to read the Bible regarding the Garden of Eden, Adam, and Eve. Here is something one can understand without having to stop and look it up.
There was a time on this earth when suffering and sorrow did not exist. When God first created man upon the earth, everything was perfect. There was no sickness, no pain, no sorrow of any kind. It was God's plan for man to live in peace and harmony never having to experience sorrow. According to Genesis chapter three, it wasn't until man chose the way of Satan, rather than the way of God, that sorrow entered the world. Man sins against God in Genesis 3:6-7, and God reveals to Adam and Eve the consequences of sin in Genesis 3:16-19. God told Adam and Eve that they would now experience SORROW and DEATH. Therefore, the suffering and sorrow that you and I face today is not the work of an unjust God; it's the consequences of sin. We suffer because we are sinners. Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
depends on which god, if christian, the moderate's version or the nutjob's version? Does god want ppl to keep him private between him and his believers and that he alone shall judge them, or does god want nutjobs to spread the word using government or use his name like a weapon.
I thought I had mentioned it in this thread in simple terms, but it may have been some place else. I suggested to someone to read the Bible regarding the Garden of Eden, Adam, and Eve. Here is something one can understand without having to stop and look it up.
There was a time on this earth when suffering and sorrow did not exist. When God first created man upon the earth, everything was perfect. There was no sickness, no pain, no sorrow of any kind. It was God's plan for man to live in peace and harmony never having to experience sorrow. According to Genesis chapter three, it wasn't until man chose the way of Satan, rather than the way of God, that sorrow entered the world. Man sins against God in Genesis 3:6-7, and God reveals to Adam and Eve the consequences of sin in Genesis 3:16-19. God told Adam and Eve that they would now experience SORROW and DEATH. Therefore, the suffering and sorrow that you and I face today is not the work of an unjust God; it's the consequences of sin. We suffer because we are sinners. Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
So your god thinks because of what two individuals did that millions of others should suffer ....what an unfair, unjust, nasty attitude!
Still doesn't explain why he/she/it would want to influence a car race or a politcal campaign?????
Daniel 2:21 - It is He who changes the times and the epochs; He removes kings and establishes kings; He gives wisdom to wise men And knowledge to men of understanding.
God is in control. That doesn't mean the person he "likes" is the one who is going to be president; it means that he has a master plan and he puts people in positions because they are part of his plan.
I don't think Christians pray so much that McCain will win or that Obama will win, but that God's will be done...
Actually I think if Obama becomes the president we are closer to the "end times" than a lot of people think. I know a lot of you don't believe in all that, which is fine. I'm just constantly amazed at what has been said and how it is coming to pass before my eyes. I'm not going to go all evangelical Christian on you, or argue with anyone about it, or even respond to posts about it. But you asked what role I thought God plays in elections and I'm just sayin'...
While I agree with the sentiment that God has a master plan that has nothing to do with likability of the candidate, I don't think we are any closer to the end times than we were 20 years ago. Remember the third temple has yet to be built and right now there is a mosque in the way of that happening. The likelihood of Obama supporting Israel in kicking the muslims off the temple mount is a lot lower than McCain/Palin supporting that. If you believe what scripture says then you know that the abomination of desolation can not be set up in the temple if it doesn't exist yet.
gods will is always the same
life truth and love
how that plays out i don't have a clue.
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