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Old 10-28-2008, 03:12 PM
 
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“ A government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have.”

Before you vote, please re-consider your support of Barack Obama, a candidate who has been less than honest with voters about his views, his past and present associations, and his plans for America. Everyone agrees that the mainstream media is not fairly or accurately reporting on Obama’s ties to radicals, hate-mongers, and others with extreme viewpoints. His recent admissions of his so-called economic stimulus plans are nothing more than tired old socialist formulas that are now being rejected by left-leaning European nations. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT FOR AMERICA!!!!!!!

Barack Obama has absolutely NO experience or background in economics or finance, so why do voters think he can solve this current economic crisis, one that he and his Democratic allies helped to create? The Wall Street panic and subsequent meltdown was triggered by investors who had piggybacked on government guaranteed loans from lender like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They assumed wrongly that these loans were sound, but when interests rates went up, millions of homeowners couldn’t repay their loans, and just walked away from them. Why? Because starting with the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, Democratic lawmakers in charge of overseeing these lending institutions kept pushing to give loans to those who did not have the means to repay them! In a misguided attempt to put the poor/low-income, and minorities into their own homes, they gave sub-prime loans to those who did not really have the income to make basic mortgage payments. In many cases, they weren’t even required to put any money down towards their purchase. Consequently, when rates went up, they simply walked away from their homes, and left the government and banks holding the bag! For the past several years, financial experts like Alan Greenspan, and Republican lawmakers urged the Democrats to curtail these irresponsible and ultimately destructive practices, but they refused.

So why aren’t Democrats being held accountable for this mess? Why are voters angry at President Bush and Congressional Republicans, who are a minority in the House and Senate? They were powerless to stop this runaway train, and should not be punished by voters now that it has crashed. Doesn’t the blame fall squarely on Democratic lawmakers? So WHY would you want to REWARD them by electing Barack Obama?! His “spread-the wealth-around”, socialistic economic philosophies are what got us into this mess to begin with!

PLEASE SAVE OUR COUNTRY!!! Don’t be fooled by a smooth-talking politician like Obama, who has changed his radical leftist positions on every important issue only because he wants to get elected! Once he’s in office, along with a Democratic supermajority in Congress, he will be able to do whatever he wants, without the safeguards of checks and balances. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND other charismatic leaders throughout world history, who have also captivated crowds and mesmerized millions into giving them power and supporting their harmful agendas!

THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY IS IN YOUR HANDS! PLEASE MAKE WISE CHOICES WHEN YOU VOTE ON Nov. 4th.
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:18 PM
 
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“ A government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have.”

Before you vote, please re-consider your support of Barack Obama, a candidate who has been less than honest with voters about his views, his past and present associations, and his plans for America. Everyone agrees that the mainstream media is not fairly or accurately reporting on Obama’s ties to radicals, hate-mongers, and others with extreme viewpoints. His recent admissions of his so-called economic stimulus plans are nothing more than tired old socialist formulas that are now being rejected by left-leaning European nations. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT FOR AMERICA!!!!!!!

Barack Obama has absolutely NO experience or background in economics or finance, so why do voters think he can solve this current economic crisis, one that he and his Democratic allies helped to create? The Wall Street panic and subsequent meltdown was triggered by investors who had piggybacked on government guaranteed loans from lender like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They assumed wrongly that these loans were sound, but when interests rates went up, millions of homeowners couldn’t repay their loans, and just walked away from them. Why? Because starting with the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, Democratic lawmakers in charge of overseeing these lending institutions kept pushing to give loans to those who did not have the means to repay them! In a misguided attempt to put the poor/low-income, and minorities into their own homes, they gave sub-prime loans to those who did not really have the income to make basic mortgage payments. In many cases, they weren’t even required to put any money down towards their purchase. Consequently, when rates went up, they simply walked away from their homes, and left the government and banks holding the bag! For the past several years, financial experts like Alan Greenspan, and Republican lawmakers urged the Democrats to curtail these irresponsible and ultimately destructive practices, but they refused.

So why aren’t Democrats being held accountable for this mess? Why are voters angry at President Bush and Congressional Republicans, who are a minority in the House and Senate? They were powerless to stop this runaway train, and should not be punished by voters now that it has crashed. Doesn’t the blame fall squarely on Democratic lawmakers? So WHY would you want to REWARD them by electing Barack Obama?! His “spread-the wealth-around”, socialistic economic philosophies are what got us into this mess to begin with!

PLEASE SAVE OUR COUNTRY!!! Don’t be fooled by a smooth-talking politician like Obama, who has changed his radical leftist positions on every important issue only because he wants to get elected! Once he’s in office, along with a Democratic supermajority in Congress, he will be able to do whatever he wants, without the safeguards of checks and balances. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND other charismatic leaders throughout world history, who have also captivated crowds and mesmerized millions into giving them power and supporting their harmful agendas!

THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY IS IN YOUR HANDS! PLEASE MAKE WISE CHOICES WHEN YOU VOTE ON Nov. 4th.
I applaud you for asking people to pause and think before they vote. But when you start attacking Democrats and liberals, you do realize you are attacking the very people you are trying to persuade?
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:21 PM
 
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"Barack Obama has absolutely NO experience or background in economics or finance."

That's ok, his advisors do:

Economic policy advisors:

Jason Furman (director of economic policy) source bio
Austan Goolsbee (senior economic policy advisor), University of Chicago tax policy expert source Wikipedia website
Karen Kornbluh (policy director) source bio Wikipedia
David Cutler, Harvard health policy expert source Wikipedia website
Jeff Liebman, Harvard welfare expert source Wikipedia website
Michael Froman, Citigroup executive source bio
Daniel Tarullo, Georgetown law professor source bio
David Romer, Berkeley macroeconomist source website
Christina Romer, Berkeley economic historian source website
Richard Thaler, University of Chicago behavioral finance expert source Wikipedia
Robert Rubin, former Treasury Secretary source Wikipedia bio
Larry Summers, former Treasury Secretary source Wikipedia bio
Alan Blinder, former Vice-chairman of the Federal Reserve source Wikipedia bio website
Jared Bernstein, Economic Policy Institute labor economist source bio
James Galbraith, University of Texas macroeconomist source Wikipedia website
Paul Volcker, Chairman of the Federal Reserve 1979-1987 source Wikipedia
Laura Tyson, Berkeley international economist, Bill Clinton economic adviser source Wikipedia
Robert Reich, Berkeley public policy professor, former Secretary of Labor source Wikipedia weblog
Peter Henry, Stanford international economist source website
Gene Sperling, former White House economic adviser source Wikipedia
Heidi Hartmann, President, Institute for Women's Policy Research website

Other prominent economists who support Obama:

Brad Delong, Berkeley macroeconomist source Wikipedia website weblog
Joseph Stiglitz, 2001 Nobel laureate source Wikipedia
Edmund Phelps, 2006 Nobel laureate source Wikipedia
Ray Fair, Yale macroeconomist source Wikipedia
Dan McFadden, 2000 Nobel laureate source website
Robert Solow, 1987 Nobel laureate source Wikipedia

Prominent finance people who support Obama:

William Donaldson, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chair 2003-05 source Wikipedia
Arthur Levitt, SEC chair 1993-2001 source Wikipedia
David Ruder, SEC chair 1987-1989 source Wikipedia
Warren Buffet, investor, richest person in world source Wikipedia
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:22 PM
 
Location: USA
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“ A government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have.”

Before you vote, please re-consider your support of Barack Obama, a candidate who has been less than honest with voters about his views, his past and present associations, and his plans for America. Everyone agrees that the mainstream media is not fairly or accurately reporting on Obama’s ties to radicals, hate-mongers, and others with extreme viewpoints. His recent admissions of his so-called economic stimulus plans are nothing more than tired old socialist formulas that are now being rejected by left-leaning European nations. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT FOR AMERICA!!!!!!!

Barack Obama has absolutely NO experience or background in economics or finance, so why do voters think he can solve this current economic crisis, one that he and his Democratic allies helped to create? The Wall Street panic and subsequent meltdown was triggered by investors who had piggybacked on government guaranteed loans from lender like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They assumed wrongly that these loans were sound, but when interests rates went up, millions of homeowners couldn’t repay their loans, and just walked away from them. Why? Because starting with the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, Democratic lawmakers in charge of overseeing these lending institutions kept pushing to give loans to those who did not have the means to repay them! In a misguided attempt to put the poor/low-income, and minorities into their own homes, they gave sub-prime loans to those who did not really have the income to make basic mortgage payments. In many cases, they weren’t even required to put any money down towards their purchase. Consequently, when rates went up, they simply walked away from their homes, and left the government and banks holding the bag! For the past several years, financial experts like Alan Greenspan, and Republican lawmakers urged the Democrats to curtail these irresponsible and ultimately destructive practices, but they refused.

So why aren’t Democrats being held accountable for this mess? Why are voters angry at President Bush and Congressional Republicans, who are a minority in the House and Senate? They were powerless to stop this runaway train, and should not be punished by voters now that it has crashed. Doesn’t the blame fall squarely on Democratic lawmakers? So WHY would you want to REWARD them by electing Barack Obama?! His “spread-the wealth-around”, socialistic economic philosophies are what got us into this mess to begin with!

PLEASE SAVE OUR COUNTRY!!! Don’t be fooled by a smooth-talking politician like Obama, who has changed his radical leftist positions on every important issue only because he wants to get elected! Once he’s in office, along with a Democratic supermajority in Congress, he will be able to do whatever he wants, without the safeguards of checks and balances. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND other charismatic leaders throughout world history, who have also captivated crowds and mesmerized millions into giving them power and supporting their harmful agendas!

THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY IS IN YOUR HANDS! PLEASE MAKE WISE CHOICES WHEN YOU VOTE ON Nov. 4th.

You forgot to add this to your post:

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Old 10-28-2008, 03:23 PM
 
Location: WA
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Republicans spend a lot of energy raving about their opinions concerning the terrible things about the other party. Yet, they are unable to think of anything positive about themselves.

What a party of mudslingers.
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca
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"ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"


Funny, it seems no one wants the future to be in their hands, they want the govt. to do it for them. "How are YOU going to fix the economy?" they ask of the candidates. It's the American economy, shouldn't Americans do something to fix it, other than blame that is. "What are you going to do for me?" seems to be the basis for voting in this election, neither candidate wants to say, Americans need to do do xxxx in order to make our country better. What happened to personal responsibility and sacrifice? Why is it up to the president to figure it all out. We, as Americans need to realize that many of OUR choices are the reason for the problems we have today. I didn't sign a terrible mortgage, and, you know what, i'm not being foreclosed on. I didn't need to get a flat screen and fancy wheels for my status car, or a status car at all(be it an Escalade or a Prius) so i am not up to my ears in debt.



NO, we need Obama to fix it for us, we need McCain to solve our problems. It isn;t my fault, so i shouldn't have to help fix it!
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:33 PM
LML
 
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I wonder if all those fat cats on Wall Street thought about that before they took more than a trillion dollars from our government?
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:45 PM
 
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"[b][font=Times New Roman][color=#333333]ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"


Funny, it seems no one wants the future to be in their hands, they want the govt. to do it for them. "How are YOU going to fix the economy?" they ask of the candidates. It's the American economy, shouldn't Americans do something to fix it,
Well this taking an argument to its most absurd level...

Let's try something a low enough common denomination that you might understand...

The US is a representative democracy, one could feasibly argue that by voting the present and future scoundrels out the PEOPLE are doing for themselves and their country. So, instead of laying about believing that the free market will act in a beneficial manner they have decided to take control through their representative Barack Obama.

Now if we can bring the conversation to a just a little higher level, let's consider that the US economy is $14 trillion, and intricately interwoven in a world economy at least 3 times that size, you are honestly suggesting that individual Americans are capable of understanding much less "fixing" an economy of that size and complexity?

We are well beyond the era of craftsmen, agrarian and barter economies.
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Old 10-28-2008, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca
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Well this taking an argument to its most absurd level...

Let's try something a low enough common denomination that you might understand...

The US is a representative democracy, one could feasibly argue that by voting the present and future scoundrels out the PEOPLE are doing for themselves and their country. So, instead of laying about believing that the free market will act in a beneficial manner they have decided to take control through their representative Barack Obama.

Now if we can bring the conversation to a just a little higher level, let's consider that the US economy is $14 trillion, and intricately interwoven in a world economy at least 3 times that size, you are honestly suggesting that individual Americans are capable of understanding much less "fixing" an economy of that size and complexity?

We are well beyond the era of craftsmen, agrarian and barter economies.
First of all, thanks for not fostering the elitist, condescending liberal stereotype, and, thanks for not being insulting when responding to my post

Secondly, yes, I think Americans are capable of fixing the economy, after all, it is Americans who are the economy, Americans who are effected by the economy and Americans who make or break the economy. Work hard, be smart with your money and don't be wasteful. It sure is reassuring to see how much faith you have in the workers of the United Sates.

Plain and simple, we have a govt. that works for itself, not for the voters. We have candidates that work for votes, not voters. Just voting is not doing enough, one must be responsible for ones own actions, and consider all possible outcomes of those actions, for both the individual and the community.

Sorry for dumbing down the conversation, you are better than me.
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:45 PM
 
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"ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"


Funny, it seems no one wants the future to be in their hands, they want the govt. to do it for them. "How are YOU going to fix the economy?" they ask of the candidates. It's the American economy, shouldn't Americans do something to fix it, other than blame that is. "What are you going to do for me?" seems to be the basis for voting in this election, neither candidate wants to say, Americans need to do do xxxx in order to make our country better. What happened to personal responsibility and sacrifice? Why is it up to the president to figure it all out. We, as Americans need to realize that many of OUR choices are the reason for the problems we have today. I didn't sign a terrible mortgage, and, you know what, i'm not being foreclosed on. I didn't need to get a flat screen and fancy wheels for my status car, or a status car at all(be it an Escalade or a Prius) so i am not up to my ears in debt.



NO, we need Obama to fix it for us, we need McCain to solve our problems. It isn;t my fault, so i shouldn't have to help fix it!

This is a great post, wish others thought like you. And one of my favorite political quotes of all time is "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". We really need to get back to that.
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