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Old 10-30-2008, 08:50 AM
 
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I thought it was brilliant. Not one attack on McCain or Palin. Spoke, as usual, to the issues, and to the American people. Meanwhile, McCain was on TV carrying on his vicious character assassination of Obama. And, as usual, having virtually nothing to say about his own stand on the issues.
This is what stands out for me too. MacCain's whole compain seems to be based around attacking Obama. If that's all he's got to present to the American people then I am concerned. I have also found McCain astoundingly rude and arrogant during the debates. None of this inspires confidence. Palin was just the final nail in the coffin of MacCain's doomed campaign.

I'm actually quite sad about it - when the nominees were announced, neither were my first choice, but I was happy that both were men who could be respected - neither a dire choice (like Bush was at the last election). Now, sadly my respect for McCain has evaporated - he really seems to have an issue controlling his anger, and has sunk very low in his attempts to assasinate Obama's character. Picking Palin also showed a remarkable lack of judgement, as those of us who might have been happy enough with McCain as president, were totally turned off by the idea of someone like Palin at the helm of this country.

I am glad that Obama has not stooped to McCain's level in his campaign and my respect for him has grown as my respect for McCain has waned.
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Old 10-30-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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I thought it was a waste of money that could have been sent to the middle class instead of trying to buy his way into the Whitehouse!

Plus he not once mentioned his real ties to all his terrorists friends, racist friends. Or the fact that he will indeed raise our taxes!!
Hmmm.. I wonder if this Positiveone made up his mind who he will vote for.


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I'm voting for McCain!!
Thanks GOD you made that clear. From the first part of your post it was impossible to figure out how you feel about Obama
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Old 10-30-2008, 08:53 AM
 
Location: The Land of Lincoln
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When I think of infomercials, I think of Ron Popeil. Now, maybe Barack should have tried to sell us a Pocket Fisherman or a Slice and DIce while he was at it.
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Old 10-30-2008, 08:58 AM
 
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When a person claims to be so concerned about the needy, is wealthy, and doesn't do much if anything on his own to help those he supposedly cares about, it makes it very clear he's lying.
Just so I'm clear, how much does a presidential candidate have to donate to charity to be a valid candidate? How much financial support do they have to give their extended family to be a viable presidential candidate? What other charitable prerequisites exist for a candidate to be considered minimally charitable? I would be curious to see this applied to a few other current presidential candidates and past candidates.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Tybee Island GA near the beach w/great neighbors
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I vote for dignity for me my husband and the rest of you even if your too ignorant to vote for the right one. I did it for you already. Dignity That is a small thing to ask for when your ill and can not work. Call me names but I did vote! Call me anything you want. Its all you can do to me. But I did VOTE! I paid my taxes. I over paid them thank goodness! That money is still there to pay future taxes. But the last thing I want is charity. I want to be able to earn and take care of my family. But you know what you need charity in USA because the right does not want you to have things you need, you have to put your hand out, but to get my husband the heart transplant he needs they tell me we need $20,000 for just the first year for the anti rejection meds. You know higher taxes does not scare me. I will pay them. I already pay out all my money to medical anyway there is no money left over. I am indebt every month and I own my own home no mortgage. Oh Children with special needs...now its ok for socialism as long as its a republican saying it? What about adults with special needs? who already paid taxes all their life? I am getting madder and madder as I write this. The people we are voting for have nothing to worry about. But your worries and mine never leave. I voted for the man who has my best interests at heart. I voted for the man who has dignity and gives me dignity
Senator Obama thank you very much!
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Florida (SW)
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When I think of infomercials, I think of Ron Popeil. Now, maybe Barack should have tried to sell us a Pocket Fisherman or a Slice and DIce while he was at it.
I really felt like it was more of a testamonial and a public service message....it made me proud and it moved me to patriotic tears. It reminded me of America's great promise.....the unfulfilled but always attainable land of the pilgrim's pride, sweet land of liberty, land of oppurtunity, with goodness and mercy for all.....to me that message has nothing in common with a ginzu knife or a pocket fisherman.....I just dont see the comparison, but thats me.


It was also an effective political ad because it strenthened my resolve to see this man elected.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:01 AM
 
Location: The Land of Lincoln
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None of that has anything to do with helping out the poor and middle class in America. And what about Chicago? Why are the ghetto neighborhoods still so awful to live in with such a high rate of homicides if that's Obama's backyard? What changes has he made in Chicago's ghettos and public schools?

If he was able to successfully turn around Chicago's problems, then I would know that he has real plans of actions for America. So far, it's all talk and vague promises of change.

And speaking of Katrina, how can he spend so goddam much on his campaign, when the Katrina victims are still hurting? How can he greedily accept so much in campaign donations ($600 million) and not even have a link on his donation site asking his supporters to send a few dollars to the Katrina victims at the same time???? Why can't he say no to the influx of campaign dollars unless he also believes that his presidency has to be bought, no matter what the cost.

To me and many others, Obama winning will not be some landmark for the black Americans, but rather just a presidential run that was bought for $600m+. And there's no merit in that.

Obama has done nothing for or in Illinois. Our state ranks 49th in funding for public schools, that should just be a start at helping you to understand how effective he has been in the Illinois Senate and as a senator (I use the term lightly, since the majority of his term he has been runnning a presidential campaign) from Illinois.
No experience. No credibility.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:04 AM
 
Location: The Land of Lincoln
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I really felt like it was more of a testamonial and a public service message....it made me proud and it moved me to patriotic tears. It reminded me of America's great promise.....the unfulfilled but always attainable land of the pilgrim's pride, sweet land of liberty, land of oppurtunity, with goodness and mercy for all.....to me that message has nothing in common with a ginzu knife or a pocket fisherman.....I just dont see the comparison, but thats me.


It was also an effective political ad because it strenthened my resolve to see this man elected.

I guess if I didn't know that man is totally full of ****, I might have been able to view it in a different light. For me, what he is selling is no different than what Ron Popeil is hawking - crap with excellent packaging and a large budget for marketing.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I feel your pain. I guess he is building our character.
Amen.

I understand how the McCain supporters feel, really I do. It was totally incomprehensible to me that anyone would vote for G.W.B once, let alone twice.
And, sad to say, all of my fears and concerns have been confirmed and realized.
However, on the bright side, I trusted my instincts about W. and I feel that, based on the last eight years, my instincts are pretty darn good.

So, I am voting for the candidate that I instinctively feel will be the right person for the country right now. He may not be perfect, but, he is not the 'boogey-man.' I am totally, 100% convinced that he is not going to take wing in the night and drain the blood from my grand-babies. Put down the pitchforks folks, it is still America. We are not living in some pseudo-Carpathian mountains movie landscape circa 1875. Despite all recent attempts to the contrary, the constitution still has some checks and balances left in it that will prevent the sort of apocalyptic collapse that some of you are predicting.

As for the spin, did somebody all of sudden give the AP a wakey-wakey pill?
Where have they been? 'Spin' is news now?

Here's a newsflash for ya' - it's a presidential campaign. The biggest sales job in the world. There had better be some spin.

Vote for Change - Obama/Biden 08
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Obama only SAYS he cares about the poor and the middle class. Talk is cheap. And he's not yet shown by his ACTIONS that he actually does care about the poor and the middle class.
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Here is Barack Obama’s record on rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina.
  • Sept. 2, 2005: Obama holds press conference (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050902-obama_to_hold_p/ - broken link) urging Illinoisans to contribute to the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.
  • Sept. 5, 2005: Obama goes to Houston (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050905-obama_visits_hu/ - broken link) to visit evacuees with Presidents Clinton and Bush.
  • Sept. 7, 2005: Obama introduces bill (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050907-obama_introduce/ - broken link) to create a national emergency family locator system
  • Sept. 8, 2005: Obama introduces bill to create a National Emergency Volunteers Corps (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050908-obama_introduce_1/ - broken link).
  • Sept. 8, 2005: Obama co-sponsors the Katrina Emergency Relief Act of 2005 introduced by Senator Harry Reid
  • Sept. 8, 2005: Obama co-sponsors the Hurricane Katrina Bankruptcy Relief and Community Protection Act of 2005 (http://www.theorator.com/bills109/s1647.html - broken link) introduced by Senator Russ Feingold
  • Sept. 12, 2005: Obama introduces legislation requiring states to create an emergency evacuation plan (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050912-obama_says_disa/ - broken link) for society’s most vulnerable
  • Sept. 15, 2005: Obama issues public response (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050915-obama_response/ - broken link) to President Bush’s speech about Gulf Coast rebuilding.
  • Sept. 21, 2005: Obama co-sponsors bill to establish a Katrina commission to investigate response to the disaster introduced by Hillary Clinton
  • Sept. 21, 2005: Obama appears on NPR to discuss the role of poverty in Hurricane Katrina.
  • Sept. 22, 2005: Obama and Coburn’s Hurricane Katrina financial oversight bill (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050922-obama_coburn_hu/ - broken link) unanimously passes Senate committee.
  • Sept. 22, 2005: Obama’s amendment requiring evacuation plans (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050922-obama_amendment/ - broken link) unanimously passes Senate committee.
  • Sept. 28, 2005: Obama and Coburn issue statement about the need for a Chief Financial Officer (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050927-obama_coburn_sa/ - broken link) to oversee the financial mismanagement and suspicious contracts occurring in the reconstruction process
  • Sept. 29, 2005: Obama and Coburn investigate possible FEMA refusal (http://obama.senate.gov/press/050929-obama_and_cobur/ - broken link) of free cruise ship offer
  • Oct. 6, 2005: Obama and Coburn issue statement on FEMA Decision (http://obama.senate.gov/press/051006-obama_and_cobur_1/ - broken link) to re-bid Katrina contracts
  • Oct. 6, 2005: Obama co-sponsors Gulf Coast Infrastructure Redevelopment and Recovery Act of 2005.
  • Oct. 21, 2005: Obama releases statement decrying (http://obama.senate.gov/press/051021-statement_of_us_1/ - broken link) the extension of FEMA director, Michael “Brownie” Brown’s contract. Obama calls Brown’s contract extension, “unconscionable.”
  • Nov. 17, 2005: Obama and Coburn introduce legislation asking FEMA (http://obama.senate.gov/press/051117-obama_calls_on/ - broken link) to immediately re-bid all Katrina reconstruction contracts.
  • Feb. 1, 2006: Obama gives Senate floor speech (http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060201-senator_obamas/ - broken link) on his legislation to help children affected by Hurricane Katrina
  • Feb. 2, 2006: Obama introduces legislation to help low-income children (http://obama.senate.gov/press/060202-obama_to_propos/ - broken link) affected by Hurricane Katrina
  • Feb. 23, 2006: Obama issues statement responding to a White House report on Hurricane Katrina (http://obama.senate.gov/press/060223-obama_reaction/ - broken link). Obama noted that the top two recommendations that the report had for the federal government were initiatives he had been working on since immediately after the storm hit. Obama called the administration’s response “delinquent.”
  • May 2, 2006: Obama gives speech about no-bid contracts (http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060502-statement_of_se_5/ - broken link) in Hurricane Katrina reconstruction
  • May 4, 2006: Obama’s legislation to end no-bid contracts (http://obama.senate.gov/press/060504-obama_amendment_1/ - broken link) for Hurricane Katrina reconstruction passed the Senate.
  • June 15, 2006: Obama and Coburn announce legislation to require amendment (http://obama.senate.gov/press/060615-obama_coburn_am/ - broken link) to create competitive bidding for Hurricane Katrina reconstruction for federal contracts over $500,000. Although it passed previously, the language was stripped in conference.
  • June 15, 2006: Obama releases podcast (http://obama.senate.gov/podcast/060615-katrina_reconst/ - broken link) about his pending Katrina reconstruction legislation in the Senate.
  • June 16, 2006: Obama and Coburn get no-bid Hurricane Katrina reconstruction amendment (http://obama.senate.gov/press/060616-obama_coburn_am_1/ - broken link) into Department of Defense authorization bill.
  • July 14, 2006: Obama and Coburn’s legislation to end abuse of no-bid contracts passes senate (http://obama.senate.gov/press/060714-obama_coburn_am_2/ - broken link) as amendment to Department of Defense authorization bill.
  • August 11, 2006: Obama visits Xavier University (http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060811-xavier_universi/ - broken link) in New Orleans to give Commencement address
  • August 14, 2006: Obama and Coburn ask FEMA to address ballooning no-bid contracts (http://obama.senate.gov/press/060814-obama_coburn_as/ - broken link) for Gulf Coast reconstruction
  • Sept. 29, 2006: Obama and Coburn legislation to prevent abuse of no-bid contracts (http://obama.senate.gov/press/060929-congress_to_pas/ - broken link) in the wake of disaster passes Senate to be sent to President’s desk to become law.
  • Feb. 2007-Present: As Obama begins his Presidential campaign he references Katrina as a part of his stump speech as he travels around the country in his familiar line, “That we are not a country which preaches compassion and justice to others while we allow bodies to float down the streets of a major American city. That is not who we are.”
  • June 20, 2007: Obama co-sponsors Gulf Coast Housing Recovery Act of 2007 introduced by Senator Chris Dodd.
  • July 27, 2007: Obama and colleagues get a measure in the Homeland Security bill that will investigate FEMA trailers that may contain the toxic chemical, formaldehyde (http://obama.senate.gov/press/070727-investigation_o/ - broken link).
  • Aug. 26, 2007: Obama outlines a detailed Hurricane Katrina recovery plan.
  • December 18, 2007: Obama calls on President Bush to protect affordable housing in New Orleans
  • February 16, 2008: Obama releases statement on toxic Gulf Coast trailers
You were saying? Or perhaps you have a record of Senator McCain's involvement with the middle-class and poor you'd like to share?
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None of that has anything to do with helping out the poor and middle class in America.

So far, it's all talk and vague promises of change.

And speaking of Katrina, how can he spend so goddam much on his campaign, when the Katrina victims are still hurting? How can he greedily accept so much in campaign donations ($600 million) and not even have a link on his donation site asking his supporters to send a few dollars to the Katrina victims at the same time???? Why can't he say no to the influx of campaign dollars unless he also believes that his presidency has to be bought, no matter what the cost.

To me and many others, Obama winning will not be some landmark for the black Americans, but rather just a presidential run that was bought for $600m+. And there's no merit in that.
Nice try. We're still waiting. It's even simplified to a singular focus for you. Select a single dynamic event critical to the middle-class and poor Citizens of the United States, and show the Senator's record via timeline, of rising to meet those challenges and that need through leadership and action.

He can spend so much on his campaign because the Citizens decided they would give so much to his campaign. He doesn't have to say no to campaign funds, his campaign isn't being bought, it's being FUNDED.

Save the pretentious comments of concern for Black America - I've read your posts. The Senator's campaign has consistently spoken of and to All Americans - and there's tangible merit to that.
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