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"The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating 'I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions.'"
Vaguely reminds me of....hmmmm....someone....uh....oh, yeah! Now I remember...
The chickens have come home to roost!
And then there's this:
"Vogler disappeared under suspicious circumstances in May 1993,[4] just weeks before he was scheduled to give a speech to the United Nations on Alaskan independence, sponsored by the government of Iran.[5][6] Convicted thief Manfried West confessed to having murdered Vogler the following year in what he described as an illegal plastic explosive sale gone bad.[4] Manfried West, trying to recant, later said the confession was a lie, but this was before Vogler's body had been discovered.[7] Vogler's remains were discovered in a gravel pit east of Fairbanks in October 1994 following an anonymous tip.[4] They had been wrapped in a blue tarp secured with duct tape and were identified through fingerprint analysis.[4] Manfried West was convicted of murdering Joe Vogler and is serving an 80 year sentence.[6]"
Joe Vogler. Not at all like Timothy McVeigh. Or Jeremiah Wright. Joe Vogler, Real Alaskan Hero.
After all, I only said that he had some legit reasons for his feelings towards the federal government. If you want to take that as a full on defense of him, go right ahead. But for the record, I am a legal resident of the State of Alaska and am very anti-Palin.
Even my own Native American people have some legit excuses, however I am not for such hate groups and hate speech because it ends up inspiring people to do things like the OKC Bombing, as seen by McVeigh bombing the federal building. There is no excuse for killing innocent children or anyone else, especially when the majority of people in this country have no problem with us being the United States.
Why dont you also explain to me why Vogler thought using a nuclear weapon to melt ice to look for gold was an okay thing? There is no excuse or complaint to justify such a thing.
hard for me to believe that Ms. Palin actually did not say something incredibly stupid and "anti-american" in this address, but the fact is, she did not! Unfairness from either the right or the left is despicable. Anyhow, the left doesn't "need it". . . we've been handed plenty of REAL AMUNITION on a silver platter!
"my fellow prisoners". . . John McCain
"real Americans". . . Sarah Palin
well, the list goes on (and in fact, gets worse) and I am not taking anything out of context!
Vogler was a wingnut hate spewing anti-american, who even said we should nuke the glaciers because there is gold under them.
I do not think I will be debating someone that defends a person who got IRAN to sponsor them on the UN Floor to secede a state of the USA. Nor will I debate a person defending a group that has among their member not only Todd Palin (for a long time) but also Norm Olsen, Timothy McVeigh's mentor.
Olsen could hardly be McVeigh's "mentor" when he kicked McVeigh out of his militia for being too radical and dangerous. Vogler hated the federal government. There is a difference between hating the government, and hating the people of a country. The federal government violated international agreements in the statehood vote.
"The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating 'I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions.'"
Vaguely reminds me of....hmmmm....someone....uh....oh, yeah! Now I remember...
The chickens have come home to roost!
And then there's this:
"Vogler disappeared under suspicious circumstances in May 1993,[4] just weeks before he was scheduled to give a speech to the United Nations on Alaskan independence, sponsored by the government of Iran.[5][6] Convicted thief Manfried West confessed to having murdered Vogler the following year in what he described as an illegal plastic explosive sale gone bad.[4] Manfried West, trying to recant, later said the confession was a lie, but this was before Vogler's body had been discovered.[7] Vogler's remains were discovered in a gravel pit east of Fairbanks in October 1994 following an anonymous tip.[4] They had been wrapped in a blue tarp secured with duct tape and were identified through fingerprint analysis.[4] Manfried West was convicted of murdering Joe Vogler and is serving an 80 year sentence.[6]"
Joe Vogler. Not at all like Timothy McVeigh. Or Jeremiah Wright. Joe Vogler, Real Alaskan Hero.
Even my own Native American people have some legit excuses, however I am not for such hate groups and hate speech because it ends up inspiring people to do things like the OKC Bombing, as seen by McVeigh bombing the federal building. There is no excuse for killing innocent children or anyone else, especially when the majority of people in this country have no problem with us being the United States.
Why dont you also explain to me why Vogler thought using a nuclear weapon to melt ice to look for gold was an okay thing? There is no excuse or complaint to justify such a thing.
Nothing the AIP is saying is remotely like McVeigh, or Ayers. I pressed you for evidence to back up assertions you made in that other thread, and you refused. Why is that? You are also making sweeping generalizations about people simply because they don't like the government. Sounds too fascist to me, it's very American to question and even hate the government, and yes, to even advocate secession. Most of our founders believed in it being a right, the Constitution allows for it. Killing innocent people over these stances is not acceptable, but the McVeighs and Ayers are few and far between.
Why dont you also explain to me why Vogler thought using a nuclear weapon to melt ice to look for gold was an okay thing? There is no excuse or complaint to justify such a thing.
Why don't you explain to me why you think I think that using a nuclear weapon to melt ice is an "okay thing"?
What I said--and I repeat--was that he had some legit reasons for his feelings about the federal government with regards to their involvement in Alaska.
Please stop trying to put words in my mouth. If you want to debate, debate what I actually said and not what you imagined.
I wish that people would understand that we've had a governor in Alaska who was a member of the AIP, and nothing got blown up.
You're not supposed to confuse anyone with facts met, you should know better.
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