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Old 01-06-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Arabic isn't a language of international commerce. Why should it be taught in primary school?
Almost all poor people from Arab countries are grabbing their chance right now to get in Europe... Most of them can only speak Arabic.
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Old 01-06-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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Arabic isn't a language of international commerce. Why should it be taught in primary school?
That's about as wrong as those Americans who believe that Beckham scores more goals than Messi...

Here's the reality though:

Who holds the oil? The Arabs.
What city in the middle east has the biggest gdp? Dubai/Arab Emirates
How many people speak Arabic? about 300 million.

It's in top 5 of the most spoken languages worldwide.

During my stay in Dubai I also noticed desire among the local to maintain their language despite the comparable English proficiency.
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Old 01-06-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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Regarding learning Arabic...

I'd say point well taken. Certainly needed for the future where it would incomparably give a closer and more rigorous understanding of the operation of totalitarian monarchies, their governments and institutions and their international interests. Knowing language provides a better avenue to the thinking behind actions.
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Old 01-06-2016, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Europeans have no interest in learning Arabic.
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Old 01-06-2016, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Europeans have no interest in learning Arabic.
Not yet but in 2 decades from now who knows. World saving Western Europe are tolerant to the intolerant so everything can happen.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:13 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Almost all poor people from Arab countries are grabbing their chance right now to get in Europe... Most of them can only speak Arabic.
Yes, so...? How does that answer the question?
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Yes, so...? How does that answer the question?
Many of them only want to speak Arabic.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:15 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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That's about as wrong as those Americans who believe that Beckham scores more goals than Messi...

Here's the reality though:

Who holds the oil? The Arabs.
What city in the middle east has the biggest gdp? Dubai/Arab Emirates
How many people speak Arabic? about 300 million.

It's in top 5 of the most spoken languages worldwide.

During my stay in Dubai I also noticed desire among the local to maintain their language despite the comparable English proficiency.
Fine. But these things have been true since the 1950's. Why propose teaching Arabic in schools now? If it's such an important language, why wasn't it introduced as a standard part of the curriculum when English was?
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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Re: 'The future looks bright. Economies growing again, unemployment shrinking and technology developing. Most poor countries are getting richer'

So in the case of the EU you think it will be resilient then? From my perch she's got alot on her plate. Brussels more and more is being perceived as throwing weight around with Germany at the apex running things. Sure looks like agitation going on turbulently in the 'union'. Far-right parties seem to be on the ascendant with all their implications. Just my take.
First of all, it isn't only far right parties who are skeptical of how the EU is currently structured. It's just that no one around here seems to notice the steps ahead made by parties like Podemos, Five Star Movement, ecc.

These parties who go against the establishment usually tend to be more popular in a moment of economic or political crisis, once this one ends they will end up having a marginal role as usually. That is unless they build a solid base and start getting more moderate but i can't see how most of the Euroskeptical aside from a few (Five Star Movement and Front Nationale for example) will stay popular once economy gets going.

Look at UKIP for example! They have stopped their rise as of late because British economy is growing again.

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That's about as wrong as those Americans who believe that Beckham scores more goals than Messi...

Here's the reality though:

Who holds the oil? The Arabs.
What city in the middle east has the biggest gdp? Dubai/Arab Emirates
How many people speak Arabic? about 300 million.

It's in top 5 of the most spoken languages worldwide.

During my stay in Dubai I also noticed desire among the local to maintain their language despite the comparable English proficiency.
I think it's a bit shortsighted to think that oil will keep being an important source of energy and fuel in the long run given how things are currently going and i haven't seen the influence of Arabic grow that much either outside of there being more immigrants and therefore more people who are likely to speak it
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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Fine. But these things have been true since the 1950's. Why propose teaching Arabic in schools now? If it's such an important language, why wasn't it introduced as a standard part of the curriculum when English was?
I'd say you're mistaken if you think people in Europe or elsewhere owe their English knowledge to school.
If the Arab world provides good $ opportunities, or other sorts of comforts people will find a way to learn the language.

I'd also say you're mistaken in your claim that those things existed since the 1950s. They didn't. Dubai for example has been pretty much a desert before 1995. Google for instance "Sheikh Zayed road before and now". Its like comparing a sand dune vs New York.

Though the biggest point probably was the lack of globalization: Budget airlines, internet, migrants etc. will result in culture exchange both ways.
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