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Old 10-30-2014, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Finland
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All Nordic nations are very centralised and heavily dependent on their capital regions. A system where Southern Jylland would subsiside Northern Savonia or these regions would be put against each other is not possible. A federation where the regions would have a say in the local parliament is impossible. The only solution is a centralised parliament from Stockholm, with some priviledges within the provinces (countries).

Legislatively it would not be hard to unite at all. We all Nordics are already entitled to another country's governmental subsidies, entitled to citizenship in 2 years of residence, and have a similar approach to almost everything. The only problem would be the EU, NATO and Denmark's liberal policy on alcohol. Politically, Kokoomus-Moderaterna-Venstre-Höyre are already practically the same party, all countries have similar Social Democratic parties, and Fremskrittspartiet-SD-True Finns-DPP can agree on everything. All countries also have strong Green parties.
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Old 10-30-2014, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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For me, Sweden interest me more than Italy which is high on everyone else's list.
Same here! Though I would like to go to Northern Italy and kind of follow the journey that Henry took in Farewell to Arms (Hemingway), right into Switzerland.
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Old 10-30-2014, 03:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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All Nordic nations are very centralised and heavily dependent on their capital regions. A system where Southern Jylland would subsiside Northern Savonia or these regions would be put against each other is not possible. A federation where the regions would have a say in the local parliament is impossible. The only solution is a centralised parliament from Stockholm, with some priviledges within the provinces (countries).

Legislatively it would not be hard to unite at all. We all Nordics are already entitled to another country's governmental subsidies, entitled to citizenship in 2 years of residence, and have a similar approach to almost everything. The only problem would be the EU, NATO and Denmark's liberal policy on alcohol. Politically, Kokoomus-Moderaterna-Venstre-Höyre are already practically the same party, all countries have similar Social Democratic parties, and Fremskrittspartiet-SD-True Finns-DPP can agree on everything. All countries also have strong Green parties.
With the exception of the NATO and EU thing, I think these other issues can be overcome. Denmark can have it's own alcohol policy just like US states have their own as well as drug policies like with pot. California and Florida have very strict anti smoking policies, Arizona does not. This is feasible in a federal system. The now countries can be states like in the US or Mexico or republics on the Yugoslav model. I know the current countries have their own provinces and you mentioned that the power structure in these countries is currently centralized (so I was wrong when I thought they were federal). This does work. It works in the US., the nation is federal but the states themselves are unitary with power centralized in the state capitals.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:00 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Same here! Though I would like to go to Northern Italy and kind of follow the journey that Henry took in Farewell to Arms (Hemingway), right into Switzerland.
That sounds cool too. For some reason, northern Europe has always intrigued me more.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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With the exception of the NATO and EU thing, I think these other issues can be overcome. Denmark can have it's own alcohol policy just like US states have their own as well as drug policies like with pot. California and Florida have very strict anti smoking policies, Arizona does not. This is feasible in a federal system. The now countries can be states like in the US or Mexico or republics on the Yugoslav model. I know the current countries have their own provinces and you mentioned that the power structure in these countries is currently centralized (so I was wrong when I thought they were federal). This does work. It works in the US., the nation is federal but the states themselves are unitary with power centralized in the state capitals.
The U.S. is such a headache of policies that vary sometimes drastically state by state. Like the open carry gun laws. We all speak English, but just the different vibes/cultures of each state makes it feel like you are travelling to a different country. In fact as a Californian I've felt more culturally aligned with the people of British Columbia than with Texans, Southerners and Floridians...just way different mentalities.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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The U.S. is such a headache of policies that vary sometimes drastically state by state. Like the open carry gun laws. We all speak English, but just the different vibes/cultures of each state makes it feel like you are travelling to a different country. In fact as a Californian I've felt more culturally aligned with the people of British Columbia than with Texans, Southerners and Floridians...just way different mentalities.
I say this all the time on these forums. The US really is like a bunch of different countries culturally. I've also head other Californians say the same things that you just said. I've not been to Texas so I can't speak from experience. Washington feels a lot like CA in many ways though.
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Old 10-30-2014, 06:31 PM
 
Location: London
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The EU negates all of this. The only need to amalgamate these countries is for defence purposes. The EU is getting together more as time progress more into defence. Not there yet but pointing that way.
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Old 10-30-2014, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Globally, it would be a force to be recognised. IF Finland were to be included, it would be an economy as big as Russia, despite having only 27 million people. It would be the 9th largest economy in the world.
That sounds pretty damn awesome.
But I don't see the point of an United States of the Nordics other than looking awesome and pissing off Russia lol. Each of them is doing very well themselves and the borders are completely open.
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Old 10-30-2014, 08:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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The EU negates all of this. The only need to amalgamate these countries is for defence purposes. The EU is getting together more as time progress more into defence. Not there yet but pointing that way.
This is true if Scandinavia would want to go the confederate route as the EU is pretty much already a confederation. If they decide on a federal system then it would be like Germany, a federal state within the confederate EU system.
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Old 10-30-2014, 08:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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That sounds pretty damn awesome.
But I don't see the point of an United States of the Nordics other than looking awesome and pissing off Russia lol. Each of them is doing very well themselves and the borders are completely open.
it would **** off more than Russia. Such a union would make Scandinavia an economic powerhouse which would likely not sit too well with some European countries. Look at the reaction Germany gets as it has a lot of say in economic decisions. A unified Scandinavia would be another dominant force in Europe in this regard.
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