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Old 12-30-2014, 05:25 PM
 
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This is a total stretch of reality.You really don't understand how culture plays in how places develop.
Japan and much of Asia has always been more insular .China,Japan etc stayed in their region and fought mainly against each other.
Had Japan went to. Conquer Europe ,they may be speaken Japanese in Rome.
European culture and conquest was fueled by religion largely and of course greed.
Europeans have always had the need spread their culture and way of life to hold dominance daypting back to Rome and Greece.

Also Much of it is geography.Japan and much of Asia is isolated.
war, slavery, conquest are concepts belonging to every human ethnicity.
The case of Liberia itself shows how racism doesn't belong to one race.
Europeans did it "better" (notice "") because they had better means and technology.
Japanese conquered most of Asia in less than 6 months and committed cruelest and vicious atrocities killing several millions of Asians (Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Indonesian, natives, Filipinos etc).
China might be an exception but it's not because Chinese never considered conquest and expansion "ethically immoral" but only because China at first isolated itself and then it is practically a continent of its own considering the size (9 million km ^2) and populace.
Empires existed among every culture.
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Old 12-31-2014, 04:30 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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war, slavery, conquest are concepts belonging to every human ethnicity.
The case of Liberia itself shows how racism doesn't belong to one race.
Europeans did it "better" (notice "") because they had better means and technology.
Japanese conquered most of Asia in less than 6 months and committed cruelest and vicious atrocities killing several millions of Asians (Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Indonesian, natives, Filipinos etc).
China might be an exception but it's not because Chinese never considered conquest and expansion "ethically immoral" but only because China at first isolated itself and then it is practically a continent of its own considering the size (9 million km ^2) deand populace.
Empires existed among every culture.
I'm not denying any of that.

I'm glad you brought up Liberia because you can see the notion of creating countries among peoples who have nothing in common will create. Chaos for years.

This is the legacy of Europe's actions and why I said what I said about how immigrants n are handled in Europe.
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Old 12-31-2014, 05:26 AM
 
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I'm not denying any of that.

I'm glad you brought up Liberia because you can see the notion of creating countries among peoples who have nothing in common will create. Chaos for years.

This is the legacy of Europe's actions and why I said what I said about how immigrants n are handled in Europe.
True, but I still don't see why we only look at the bad of Europe willingly omitting the inventions and contributions that Europeans made to the world, contributions that has changed the world.
Anyway, back to the original topic, Europe cannot be like the US and we don't want to be like them: we are not a series of countries built on immigration and we don't want to be.
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Old 12-31-2014, 05:32 AM
 
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The immigrants willing to go to Europe are different. US is usually 1st choice for immigrants, followed by Canada or Australia. This isn't to say that all immigrants in Europe are low quality, but usually the masters degree in engineering guy from India will choose the US instead of the UK without thinking twice. Also immigrants receive lots of free stuff in Europe which is a policy that doesn't exactly attract the best workers. Lots of immigrants go to Europe to take advantage of government generosity.
Do you have any proof to support this?
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Old 12-31-2014, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I have many friends with visas that have little education as well as extensive but I agree it is harder than it should be.
I'm not talking about little education. Just normal white collar people.
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Old 12-31-2014, 09:34 AM
 
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So if Europeans are more interested in other cultures why do immigrants have an easier time achieving upward mobility in the USA when compared to Europe?
1)America is a large land with much lower population density

2) America has no real distinctive consumme other than propaganda and consummerism, Its far easier to become an american than anything else.

3) For the same reason of point 1 , america does need a lot of workers.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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True, but I still don't see why we only look at the bad of Europe willingly omitting the inventions and contributions that Europeans made to the world, contributions that has changed the world.
Anyway, back to the original topic, Europe cannot be like the US and we don't want to be like them: we are not a series of countries built on immigration and we don't want to be.
You are making assumptions.Had this conversation had not begun with the superior tone and benelovent attitude that Europeans doing little harm I personally would have made it clear early on that Europeans have given the world much.

instead it seems their was this notion that Africa and Africans should be happy Europeans came along or that there is no responsibility of Europe to these former colonialized areas.

You may not want to be like the U.S but Europe like all countries have to adapt to the changing times.Americans do this best because traditions are not as rigid as they are in Europe.
My whole summation of this is that Europe helped create the conditions in these places they are fleeing from therefore they have more reasons to make the situation better.

Also should add that immigrants in the U.S. don't come to the U.S. educated all the time.Many come with only needing an opportunity to do better than whence they came.Its not uncommon to see very poor immigrants improve their lives with hard work.They have less of a choice to fail becuase the government is limited in resources for immigrants.
This is how it should be in Europe.I'm not a know it all but it makes sense to me.

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Old 12-31-2014, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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1)America is a large land with much lower population density

2) America has no real distinctive consumme other than propaganda and consummerism, Its far easier to become an american than anything else.

3) For the same reason of point 1 , america does need a lot of workers.
I'm telling you its because of the socialist nature of Europe.In America you cannot eat if you come here expecting to get help from the government.
This is one reason so many highher educated or skilled workers come because they are more likely to be employed.

Why work if the government is gonna take care of you?You either want more than just enough to get by or you come from a place with a strong work ethic.
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Old 01-18-2015, 04:34 AM
 
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Probably because US was alread born as multicultural country (europeans from everywhere, native peoples and blacks) while Europe have a different history and his millenary culture.
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Old 01-19-2015, 12:58 AM
 
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So if Europeans are more interested in other cultures why do immigrants have an easier time achieving upward mobility in the USA when compared to Europe?
europe is europe, USA is USA

its ridiculous to compare two completely different entities, its like saying why are oranges more acid than apples if both are fruits!
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