Why Europe is different on accepting Migration than US (life, country, people)
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Its not attraction for physical features, europeans put a much higher emphasis on culture, history and are more curious about other ways of living , so It's natural for europeans to have a higher interest in other people, they understand and respect more different cultures... The American way of living is more shallow and everything that doesnt translate into money in the short term has little to no value.
So if Europeans are more interested in other cultures why do immigrants have an easier time achieving upward mobility in the USA when compared to Europe?
So if Europeans are more interested in other cultures why do immigrants have an easier time achieving upward mobility in the USA when compared to Europe?
Because in America it's a question of money, in Europe - what cultures people are interested in. Or not.
So if Europeans are more interested in other cultures why do immigrants have an easier time achieving upward mobility in the USA when compared to Europe?
Because European countries have more genuine cultures and lifestyle... there is no real American culture... ditto for Australia and Canada. But multirracial couples are much more common in Europe than in the US
Also upward mobility depends on goverment.. large countries like US, Canada and Australia need much more work force than very crowded european nations.
Because in America it's a question of money, in Europe - what cultures people are interested in. Or not.
So Europeans are not interested in immigrant cultures. Clearly they are better off then in "shallow" USA where at least hard work MIGHT bring some rewards and folks are too busy making money to bother about what others are up to.
So Europeans are not interested in immigrant cultures.
No they are not.
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Clearly they are better off then in "shallow" USA where at least hard work MIGHT bring some rewards and folks are too busy making money to bother about what others are up to.
Yes, they are better off in the USA/Canada ( on a larger scale, we won't talk about certain cases when people of color are better off in Europe.)
Yes, they are better off in the USA/Canada ( on a larger scale, we won't talk about certain cases when people of color are better off in Europe.)
How do you know? have you asked out all of them? Also not all european countries are the same.. I have known about quite a few people of "color" planning to move to europe from the US... they usually are not content emotionally-wise with the life they have back in the states... A lot of them are indian, African-americans and several other ethnicities looking forward to move away from the states.
How do you know? have you asked out all of them? Also not all european countries are the same..
It's my impression overall, without "asking out all of them." Europeans are not particularly interested in cultures that are inferior to them, even though "not all European countries are the same)))
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I have known about quite a few people of "color" planning to move to europe from the US... they usually are not content emotionally-wise with the life they have back in the states... A lot of them are indian, African-americans and several other ethnicities looking forward to move away from the states.
I understand that side of the story too. When I am saying that people of color are better off ( to immigrate) in the US/Canada, it means that they ( as a group) are better accommodated and accepted in traditionally immigration-oriented countries than in European countries, where citizens of these countries on a larger scale ( not politicians, there is a difference) prefer their own "monoculturalism" to "multiculturalism."
But this "better-accommodated" and "accepted" does not transfer into being "mixed in." (The US/Canada are not "melting pot" countries as some would like to believe, but rather "tossed salad" as it has been noted lately. So some people of color sense this "invisible barrier" behind which they live in the US ( Canada is a bit different story I guess,) and they figure, that since their cultural roots are coming somewhere from the Old world, then may be Europeans ( coming from the Old world as well) will be more accepting of them and let them live the life in the "main stream." Which sometimes IS a case - Europeans can be more genuinely accepting on a PERSONAL level when it comes to people of color than Americans, but they are not more accepting than Americans, when it comes to mass immigration.
So it's kinda a trade-off, which might work for some and won't work for others.
It's my impression overall, without "asking out all of them." Europeans are not particularly interested in cultures that are inferior to them, even though "not all European countries are the same)))
I understand that side of the story too. When I am saying that people of color are better off ( to immigrate) in the US/Canada, it means that they ( as a group) are better accommodated and accepted in traditionally immigration-oriented countries than in European countries, where citizens of these countries on a larger scale ( not politicians, there is a difference) prefer their own "monoculturalism" to "multiculturalism."
But this "better-accommodated" and "accepted" does not transfer into being "mixed in." (The US/Canada are not "melting pot" countries as some would like to believe, but rather "tossed salad" as it has been noted lately. So some people of color sense this "invisible barrier" behind which they live in the US ( Canada is a bit different story I guess,) and they figure, that since their cultural roots are coming somewhere from the Old world, then may be Europeans ( coming from the Old world as well) will be more accepting of them and let them live the life in the "main stream." Which sometimes IS a case - Europeans can be more genuinely accepting on a PERSONAL level when it comes to people of color than Americans, but they are not more accepting than Americans, when it comes to mass immigration.
So it's kinda a trade-off, which might work for some and won't work for others.
There is a difference in countries like the US, Australia or CANADA immigration is part of their society since the start of those nations.. which have relatively short history compared to european countries.
For some reason in america there is often the concept of "third world nation" and Illegal aliens which often applies to people from poorer countries or countries who dont belong to the western world.
There is also a higher concern about race, you can see how naturalized people in the US become "minorities" specially when they arent of caucasian appearance. In europe the separation goes more about culture than physical appearance... you never become a national unless you dont adap to the mainstream culture and you dont speak the local language at a good level... otherwise you keep being moroccan, indian, turkish or whatever nationality you are.. you are a foreigner living in the country, but at least you are not frowned upon every 5 minutes what race you are or what the color of your skin is.
Its not attraction for physical features, europeans put a much higher emphasis on culture, history and are more curious about other ways of living , so It's natural for europeans to have a higher interest in other people, they understand and respect more different cultures... The American way of living is more shallow and everything that doesnt translate into money in the short term has little to no value.
Oh I guess that why they (Europeans)colonialized so much of the world from India to Africa to South America?Because they wanted to see culture.
Gimme a break.
There is a difference in countries like the US, Australia or CANADA immigration is part of their society since the start of those nations.. which have relatively short history compared to european countries.
For some reason in america there is often the concept of "third world nation" and Illegal aliens which often applies to people from poorer countries or countries who dont belong to the western world.
There is also a higher concern about race, you can see how naturalized people in the US become "minorities" specially when they arent of caucasian appearance. In europe the separation goes more about culture than physical appearance... you never become a national unless you dont adap to the mainstream culture and you dont speak the local language at a good level... otherwise you keep being moroccan, indian, turkish or whatever nationality you are.. you are a foreigner living in the country, but at least you are not frowned upon every 5 minutes what race you are or what the color of your skin is.
Illegal Aliens usually refers to those from Mexico.Not"poor" countries.
Jamaica,Nigeria,Vietnam,etc are poor coountries but you never hear of pople refering to those as "illegal".
America was never a colonial power like many European countries.The acceptance largely comes from long ties with those countries that have not always had a pleasant history.
In the U.S. you can live however you will but if it disrupts the mainstream,then that is when resistence becomes more pronounced.
Europe tends to allow more acceptance and many times ath the exspense of their own culture versus the immigrant culture.
The ghettos of immigrants far outside the cities in Europe are a clear sign of this.In America in most cities immigrants are assimilated in the larger social fabric of the community instead of their own.
You wont have large scale immigrants burning the American flag or denouncing their adoptive home like I have seen in some European countries.
This just my limited opinion of what i have witnessed.I cant say if this is the norm for Europe but I dont see much of this in the U.S.
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