Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Not being religious doesn't mean you don't have a moral code, CARPATHIAN it just means you don't believe in god. - That's it there's no other difference.
Atheist is just a category its not of significance. Also many atheists are spiritual.
I try to avoid animal products as I don't like how animals are treated by the industry, I share my knowledge about discrimination to people on a daily basis and I care about the natural world deeply. I haven't met a Christian who rants about racial equality or sexism like I do.
I'm vegan since 2003 (vegetarian from 1998) and I devote around ten hours daily helping sick or formerly sick pigeons. Because of shortage of time, I'm sleep deprived, I rarely sleep more than four hours / night.
Btw, this is not in contradiction with what I said on other thread about the necessity of being lazy. This effort to help pigeons is a physical activity that takes place somehow mechanically, living my mind free. In fact, simple physical activity is the best for the development of the mind.
And I'm not an exception. The most vegan country in the world is India (about 20% of people are vegans), and is like that for religious reasons.
Quote:
Jesus said you must help the vulnerable but many Christians in Britain wouldn't help a bystander in the street - how hypocritical is that?
They are formal Christians, who not know even who wrote the Bible. A practicising, devout Christian will not act like this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
Also, you're overlooking the millions of Buddhists who don't believe in god, but who devote their lives to practicing compassion.
Buddhists don't believe in god as a person, but they believe in afterlife which is a pure belief in supernatural. And when I said that I wasn't thinking only to abrahamic (believing in God as a person) believers but to all believers in supernatural, though the formulation of the phrase was not illustrative.
Quote:
Why would someone need religion to motivate them to help others and do good in the world?
Was the religions (Buddhist and Christian especially) that brought these values that later were adopted by non-believers as well.
And is an scientifically established fact that the great majority of charity and volunteering is done by religious organisations. And is like that because charity is one of their core, if not main principle and value, while the main goal of atheism is the rejection of God and belief, not the charity.
At individual, not organisational level, I admit that there are sincere charitable manifestations of atheists. Yet, as I said, I don't see them accepting unpleasantful experiences for the sake of accomplishing (what they perceive as) their moral duty, at least not to the same degree a believer do.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cattledog69
Typical, you claim to be such a good person, yet you immediately go to insulting someone who doesn't apply to your standards. Exactly that judgemental talk and arrogance in that one sentence is what I don't like about religions....
Being judgemental means to despise. I try to help.
Last edited by Rozenn; 05-18-2015 at 02:33 PM..
Reason: Bickering
At individual, not organisational level, I admit that there are sincere charitable manifestations of atheists. Yet, as I said, I don't see them accepting unpleasantful experiences for the sake of accomplishing (what they perceive as) their moral duty, at least not to the same degree a believer do.
So, you are saying that you do charitable things out of duty and that other religious people do these things out of duty? Why is that better than an Atheist who does it because he feels it's the right thing to do?
Do you really think religious people would not do charitable works, if it were not duty?
Why do you think that only the religious feel like they have moral duties?
What do you think drives the non -religious to be charitable?
Last edited by JennyMominRI; 05-17-2015 at 03:50 PM..
You can't compare individual Atheists to Christian organizations.
I don't compare. Possibly Atheists have a greater contribution to present society.
I was talking about the benefits of religion, not who people is better Atheists or believers. Religion is a powerful drive, the only one that can make you live a healthy and rational life. Rejection of religion (rejection of God, of belief in supernatural etc) always manifests by a disordered lifestyle leading to depression episodes, addictions and other discomforting and self-destructive phenomena.
I'm going to say that even fascist forms of religion, or aberrant and destructive in other way, like Islam or smaller destructive cults, provide their believers with a certain psycho-emotinal equilibrum that Atheists don't enjoy. This is explained by the fact that any kind of religion, even the disturbed ones, contain the belief in immortality and absolute, which are a true and necessary concept for the happiness and healthy development of human personality.
I don't compare. Possibly Atheists have a greater contribution to present society.
I was talking about the benefits of religion, not who people is better Atheists or believers. Religion is a powerful drive, the only one that can make you live a healthy and rational life. Not any kind of religion and at anybody, though. But rejection of religion (rejection of God, of belief in supernatural etc) always manifests by a disordered lifestyle leading to depression episodes, addictions and other discomforting and self-destructive phenomena.
I agree with you.
There was done an experiment on a little child; he grew in isolation; people never told him or talked to him about religion on purpose (his parents decided this and to advert people surrounding him of this); every determiner to religion was carefully avoided on books and newspaper given to him.
..well he started spontaneously to belive in god.. He worshipped the sun giving the sun little presents like flowers ecc.
Not being religious doesn't mean you don't have a moral code, CARPATHIAN it just means you don't believe in god. - That's it there's no other difference.
Atheist is just a category its not of significance. Also many atheists are spiritual.
If you are spiritual you are not atheist. At most a "spiritual" person is agnostic
Atheist means a person that doesn't belive there is an afterlife and doesn't belive in something above man (spirit) who comand/drive nature/world/universe and or than man has no spirit
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
.
