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Old 09-01-2015, 07:05 AM
 
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Guys anyone from these countries in Central Europe??

I think it's an interesting time to understand this whole thing.

US and EU suffering from the same problem at the same time

I assume European politicians are as liberal as their American counterparts

Also aren't Italy and Greece doing anything??

These countries have limited resources but any help from EU??

 
Old 09-01-2015, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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First of all, you'll have to distinguish between classic immigration and asylum seekers/refugees. Both of which isn't exactly new to Austria. And no, that has nothing to do with the political affiliation of our politicians. We had lots of immigrants when conservative politicians were in power and we had lots of immigrants when social democrats were in power.

Frankly, I haven't noticed any differences in Vienna and Linz (both of which are the economic powerhouses of Austria) when it comes to immigrants.
The reason for that is that asylum seekers aren't allowed to work in Austria and that they are usually confined to special facilities for asylum seekers. The number of those that get the status of a refugee is relatively low and they basically just behave like every other immigrant. They get a job, work and integrate into society. The others, who don't get refugee status have to leave anyway.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Why do all these Syrians and Iraqi's need to come to open-minded (something they hate) Europe, can't they just move to another Islamic Country, there are more than enough of them!
 
Old 09-01-2015, 02:28 PM
 
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Why do all these Syrians and Iraqi's need to come to open-minded (something they hate) Europe, can't they just move to another Islamic Country, there are more than enough of them!
Keep in mind that many of the refugees are not the Muslims you obviously dislike, but members of the ancient Christian communities in the Middle East. Thus, you might want to sort out your "all" a bit.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 02:38 PM
 
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...Also aren't Italy and Greece doing anything??

These countries have limited resources but any help from EU??
It probably isn't considered newsworthy in the U.S., but the Italian government has boats out on the Mediterranean daily to rescue migrants whose flimsy craft are sinking. They have rescued many thousands from death by drowning or dehydration...and yes, they have taken so many ashore that their resources are very strained.

As far as "help from E.U.," the E.U. countries are a tad like the shaky government of the Confederacy of the U.S. civil war period. Sometimes all rah-rah for the E.U., and in some respects totally unwilling to pull together. The Confederacy was a governmental mess, and the E.U. while not at that level needs to get in much better focus.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Why do all these Syrians and Iraqi's need to come to open-minded (something they hate) Europe, can't they just move to another Islamic Country, there are more than enough of them!
Their neighbors have been, although they're trying to slow the flow as well. Turkey has taken in 1.9 million refugees, Lebanon 1.1 million, and Jordan 629,000, Iraq 250,000, and Egypt has taken in 132,000. Lebanon's population is now 20% refugees, and Jordan's unemployment rate has doubled in the areas primarily populated by refugees.

There's still 7.6 million displaced Syrians inside of Syria today though, and 3.1 million displaced Iraqis inside Iraq.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ysia-iraq.html

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Keep in mind that many of the refugees are not the Muslims you obviously dislike, but members of the ancient Christian communities in the Middle East. Thus, you might want to sort out your "all" a bit.
Agreed.

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Guys anyone from these countries in Central Europe??

I think it's an interesting time to understand this whole thing.

US and EU suffering from the same problem at the same time

I assume European politicians are as liberal as their American counterparts

Also aren't Italy and Greece doing anything??

These countries have limited resources but any help from EU??
Their resources are so limited, and the EU is helping them so little, that Italy is threatening to give visas to the migrants in Italy so they can go wherever they want.

Germany just agreed to take migrants destined for Germany, instead of sending them back to the countries they entered through, but something big picture needs to be done because the EU's current system clearly isn't handling this situation very well.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 03:24 PM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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As far as "help from E.U.," the E.U. countries are a tad like the shaky government of the Confederacy of the U.S. civil war period. Sometimes all rah-rah for the E.U., and in some respects totally unwilling to pull together. The Confederacy was a governmental mess, and the E.U. while not at that level needs to get in much better focus.
Quite an interesting perspective, but to be a bit more generous perhaps you could say a tad like the US under the Articles of Confederation in the pre-Constitution days.

I do not have a sympathetic view of mass migration into Europe. However, when I see the young children it strikes a chord within me, they are innocent and deserving of help.

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It probably isn't considered newsworthy in the U.S., but the Italian government has boats out on the Mediterranean daily to rescue migrants whose flimsy craft are sinking. They have rescued many thousands from death by drowning or dehydration...and yes, they have taken so many ashore that their resources are very strained.
Sites like Google and Yahoo allow people the world over to customize news. Anyone interested can cover the situation from the Italian perspective, for example, in English or almost any other language for that matter.

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Old 09-01-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Sites like Google and Yahoo allow people the world over to customize news. Anyone interested can cover the situation from the Italian perspective, for example, in English or almost any other language for that matter.
I think the questions then become how many Americans 1) know about the migration crisis in Europe, and 2) how many actually care?

Yes, the information is out there, but not many Americans are going to bother to go looking for it, and our general mainstream news media is focused on domestic headlines with international ones sprinkled in. For example:
NBC News - Breaking News & Top Stories - Latest World, US & Local News

There's a world section, but it's tiny compared to the rest of the homepage. Although what is unusual, and I nearly forgot to mention it, is that NBC actually has the crisis as its own little headline area. It's just at the bottom of the page.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 04:00 PM
 
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The US already has its own illegal immigration problem to deal with.
 
Old 09-01-2015, 04:26 PM
 
Location: SoCal again
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Why do all these Syrians and Iraqi's need to come to open-minded (something they hate) Europe, can't they just move to another Islamic Country, there are more than enough of them!
They want to go where the bacon is.

Why go to another muslim country if they can just move to a wealthy state and build mosques with that states money? They would be stupid if they wouldn't go to the rich countries.
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