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Old 03-06-2016, 04:04 AM
 
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It's funny that the most paranoid countries about refugees (or migrants) are those least likely to get some. I think the east EU members should accept more of them and not only receive funding to fix their crappy infrastructure. Hungary, Slovakia, Poland and so on.
Actually they get a ton of asylum seekers who walk and camp in their areas, and they need to clean up after them.

If they want to take in asylum seekers is up to them. I think it is better if they send them to Sweden and Germany. They are the ones who want to keep the current asylum policies.
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Old 03-06-2016, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Finland
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If they want to take in asylum seekers is up to them. I think it is better if they send them to Sweden and Germany. They are the ones who want to keep the current asylum policies.
They don't want to keep the current policy. Both Germany and Sweden wants to stop the flood.
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Old 03-06-2016, 04:50 AM
 
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They don't want to keep the current policy. Both Germany and Sweden wants to stop the flood.
No, they don't. We could return the boats, but Germany and Sweden are against that proposal. They are also against not giving them asylum.

If EU doesn't stop them, and they give them asylum if they cross the border, then a lot of people will come. They should take the responsibility for their own laws.
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Old 03-06-2016, 04:53 AM
 
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It's funny that the most paranoid countries about refugees (or migrants) are those least likely to get some. I think the east EU members should accept more of them and not only receive funding to fix their crappy infrastructure. Hungary, Slovakia, Poland and so on.
It's not about "accepting" but about "passing through".

No refugee wants to live in Bulgaria, yet as one of the 2 countries in Europe that shares border with a Muslim country (the other one being Greece) - both Bulgaria and Greece can easily "get" millions from Turkey. Their goal will be to reach Sweden/UK/Germany of course but until they get there (if ever) they're locked in the East EU as you call it. Also, the EU will not sponsor anything to help the refugee crisis, the only think they sponsor is some organization to criticize countries like Hungary Bulgaria about racism and discrimination against refugees.
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Finland
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No, they don't. We could return the boats, but Germany and Sweden are against that proposal. They are also against not giving them asylum.

If EU doesn't stop them, and they give them asylum if they cross the border, then a lot of people will come. They should take the responsibility for their own laws.
Sweden gives asylum to around 40% of all applicants arriving in the country.
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:35 AM
 
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It's not about "accepting" but about "passing through".

No refugee wants to live in Bulgaria, yet as one of the 2 countries in Europe that shares border with a Muslim country (the other one being Greece)
Spain shares border with a Muslim country.
Portugal and Italy, although they have no land border, are very close to Muslim countries and do have maritime borders.
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Old 03-06-2016, 05:38 AM
 
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Sweden gives asylum to around 40% of all applicants arriving in the country.
In practice Sweden gives temporary asylum to everyone who applies. That's important, because it takes them many years to even deport obvious cases.

And their reject percentage is not 60%. Last year they rejected 19% of asylum seekers and 12% got sent to another EU country. (source) The current asylum seekers are from the "right" countries, which means they will reject fewer and since they come directly, fewer will be sent to another EU country. Hence, at least 80% will be able to stay in Sweden.

In addition, you must remember that Sweden does not have enough staff to deal with all the cases. The waiting time is already 2-3 years for current asylum seekers, and it might be 4-5 years at the end of 2016. This is just the time to process their cases, they can appeal the decision twice. It might take them 10 years to reject them, and then they can apply for asylum again.
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Old 03-06-2016, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Fine, the most homogeneous countries should start, to even out the foreigner % of the population EU wide. To give an example, Germany would have to accept 16 mil (Italy around 13 mil) more foreign people to arrive at the same foreigner % as Estonia. I mean its all about solidarity, so we should even out the playing field, right?
Exactly. Asylum seekers per 100k population in 2015:



Migrant crisis: Migration to Europe explained in seven charts - BBC News
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Old 03-06-2016, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Estonia
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Exactly. Asylum seekers per 100k population in 2015:



Migrant crisis: Migration to Europe explained in seven charts - BBC News
No, not exactly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rse-countries/
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Old 03-06-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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I am sure than sending back the migrants on boat to Lybia and Syria they will probably think "yeah, we could not make it, too bad. Now let's stay here and start to make a living without any money or house left, it sure will be fun. Everyone gets used to being bombed or tortured anyway"
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