[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

Get away from the coast where all the people live.... you'll see a whole different Florida.

Florida's biggest issue is "altered" environment.... primarily from flood control. You can thank the Army Corp of Engineers for that one. However with out (some) flood control we would definitely have seasonal flooding. Man made problems can only be fixed with man made solutions. For the record.... Florida has made significant strides recently!

I love the comment about the oceans are the warmest in human history. Lol... how long do you think people have been recording ocean temperatures? um, at best... 200 years.

Try 200,000 years and your eyes will open for real. No one is denying climate change.

The quote was "recorded human history." Although, as modern man has existed only in an "icehouse" period of earth's history, it wouldn't surprise me if the oceans are as warm today as during any point in the existence of mankind on this planet.


If interested, watch this PBS Nova special available online, or read the transcript.


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/polar-extremes/


Please open my eyes by providing ocean temperature estimates for the last 200,000 years based on paleontology research!!!


As for recorded history, there's a nice graph in this article from Forbes magazine, "the capitalist tool."


https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurate.../#617dd4845e29


Homo sapiens generally are estimated to have existed on earth for 300,000 years, but with "behavioral modernity" achieved only 50,000 years ago, following a near extinction event about 70,000 years ago that greatly reduced the genetic diversity of mankind.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_s...ical_modernity


https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwic...-in-70-000-b-c

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Please open my eyes by providing ocean temperature estimates for the last 200,000 years based on paleontology research!!!

colder now than it's ever been > https://skepticalscience.com/pics/HS12Fig1.jpg

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

~1/2 of the state of Florida is protected lands......10 million acres Federal.....several more million is state and Florida Forever
..another 4 million is in private hands deeded protected

all totaled...it's almost 20 million acres...Florida is only ~42 million acres total

Exactly this. A drive down the turnpike from Kissimmee down will expose one to a Florida many don’t even know exists.
Same with Alligator Alley, the 528 between Orlando and the Coast, SR98 from Crystal River up... The list goes on.

[vaughanwilliams]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

~1/2 of the state of Florida is protected lands......10 million acres Federal.....several more million is state and Florida Forever
..another 4 million is in private hands deeded protected

all totaled...it's almost 20 million acres...Florida is only ~42 million acres total

Florida is "only" 36 million acres and the protected areas are more like 35% (give or take) but I see your point. That said, the vast majority is wetlands and Federal land (Everglades, military bases). Florida loses 175,000 acres of farmland a year to development-that's the same land mass as Pinellas County. I don't fault the farmers or ranchers for selling at a nice profit but many of those beautiful vistas everyone sees from the Interstates will be developed in the near future.

[Corrie22]

...and that's not counting all the reservations and marine parks like Biscayne, Dry Tortugas, Keys Marine Sanctuary..the Keys Sanctuary is almost 4,000 sq miles just on it's own......and all the ecological reserves

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

colder now than it's ever been > https://skepticalscience.com/pics/HS12Fig1.jpg

See discussion in post 9 and subsequent posts in this thread.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...opments-2.html

Temperatures millions of years ago and even 100 years ago are irrelevant when Key Largo experienced 90 days of sunny day ocean flooding just this past autumn, when Florida beaches and coastal natural areas are undergoing nascent inundation which is projected to accelerate rapidly in the decade ahead, and when ice melt is accelerating rapidly in the Arctic and especially in the Antarctic region.

Glacier calving in the Antarctic likely will be a major environmental story in the decades ahead, as indicated by recent reports about the massive Thwaites Glacier, undergoing a detailed scientific study for the first time in human history.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/4621838002/

https://thwaitesglacier.org/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottsn.../#6e4a33d44894

Your link is from skepticalscience.com. Here's another one from that website; unfortunately, the article hasn't been updated since 2013 as there has been a massive increase in ocean heat content since that year.

https://skepticalscience.com/cooling-oceans.htm

<<"The amount of heat we have put in the world's oceans in the past 25 years equals to 3.6 billion Hiroshima atom-bomb explosions," lead author Lijing Cheng, associate professor with the International Center for Climate and Environmental Sciences at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics (IAP) of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), said in the statement.>>

https://www.livescience.com/ocean-te...ak-record.html

Coral reefs globally, especially including the Great Florida Reef, are under great duress, and the negative environmental conditions impacting coral collectively only are expected to worsen in the years ahead.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/...f-climate.html

So, if the documentary is correct about the importance of the Great Florida Reef to the continued existence of the Florida Keys, residents there have an additional worry beyond accelerating sea level rise.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Ironically, more powerful hurricanes are one of the factors threatening the keys, according to the segment.

Should be Great Florida Reef.

[Corrie22]

global warming has had NO effect on "more powerful hurricanes"....

major hurricane ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy) has stayed exactly the same > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...d_Oqy3HtCe6lSc

there has been no increase in the amount of hurricanes globally....and no increase in the strength of hurricanes globally

if anything there has been a slight decrease > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...hBx1LzaV6xFA2g

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Temperatures millions of years ago and even 100 years ago are irrelevant when Key Largo experienced 90 days of sunny day ocean flooding just this past autumn,.

Lying by omission....is still lying...
"Key Largo" did not experience flooding...it's only the very end of one street in Stillwright point/Twin Lakes (a small neighborhood) flooded...and that street has flooded since the swamp was cleared and fill brought in to make the land dry enough to sell.

..the fill was never compacted and the land is sinking on the end of that street

This is what Stillwright Point really looks like....not at all what the lying media is saying

Prices go from the low $1/2million to over $2million > https://www.point2homes.com/US/Real-...ght-Point.html

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

global warming has had NO effect on "more powerful hurricanes"....

major hurricane ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy) has stayed exactly the same > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...d_Oqy3HtCe6lSc

there has been no increase in the amount of hurricanes globally....and no increase in the strength of hurricanes globally

if anything there has been a slight decrease > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...hBx1LzaV6xFA2g

HiFLOR modeling:

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Hi...Global-Warming

Now, one Category 5 hurricane per year in the Atlantic?

<<Shay described Dorian as a “super Category 5” storm. In fact, 2019 marks the fourth straight year with a Category 5 hurricane in the Atlantic. Could climate change be contributing to more intense storms?

“Our best climate change models predict that we will see more major hurricanes in the coming years,” said Ben Kirtman, a professor of atmospheric sciences and director of NOAA’s Cooperative Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Studies based at the Rosenstiel School. “In the past four years we have seen at least one Category 5 storm. This is the first time this has happened during the modern satellite era. So yes, there are some indications that we are starting to see some of the climate change signal.”>>

https://news.miami.edu/stories/2019/...on-dorian.html

<<Scientists, so far, can't tease out exactly how much of a given hurricane's size or impact is because of climate change. What they do know is this: Hurricanes draw their energy from the oceans, and the oceans are now warmer than they've been in 125,000 years because they've absorbed 90 percent of the excess heat trapped in the atmosphere by increased greenhouse gas emissions. The warmer oceans provide more energy to amp up hurricanes by intensifying wind and rainfall—like a steroid enhancing the performance of an athlete....

For example, scientists are highly confident that climate change will increase the rainfall that occurs during hurricanes. That's because in a warmer world, the atmosphere holds more water vapor, which makes for more intense precipitation. For every 1.8 degree Fahrenheit (1°C) increase in global average surface temperatures — the amount the earth has warmed since the 1880s — the atmosphere will hold an estimated 7 percent more water vapor. A 2018 study found that, already, climate change had boosted the average rainfall of hurricanes Katrina, Irma and Maria.

Because hurricanes draw their energy from warming ocean waters, climate research projects that a greater proportion of storms will be Category 4 or Category 5 events, which means they will have sustained winds of 130 miles per hour or more....

A 2014 study showed that from 1975 to 2010 the proportion of Category 4 or 5 storms rose 25 to 30 percent because of human-caused climate change. "The increases are substantial, approaching a doubling in frequency of Cat 4 and 5 hurricanes," the study concluded.>>

https://insideclimatenews.org/americ...climate-change