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First of all "Noodles" Like I said a low wage job is better then a no wage job and we all have to start somehwere. Please don't judge me since you don't know me. And besides somebody has to do the min wage jobs or else people like you won't have people like me willing to wait on you
1) There are valid reasons for one to want to work in this type of job. Some are retirees who want to keep busy, and use the wealth of knowledge they have. Some want the experience.
2) We have some posters here who have an M.O. of just "stirring the pot". Some people can be quite bold and not very nice when they are not face to face with others, but are in front of a monitor.
One can argue ideas, but do it respectfully. Disrespect will not be allowed.
First of all "Noodles" Like I said a low wage job is better then a no wage job and we all have to start somehwere. Please don't judge me since you don't know me. And besides somebody has to do the min wage jobs or else people like you won't have people like me willing to wait on you
True, but why does it have to be Wal-Mart? I can't speak to Home Depot's employment practices...but if you can log onto a computer, type the message above, etc., you CAN do better than Wal-Mart - and they are notorious for treating their employees like crap.
It's a tough market out there but if I were you I would look for something in an office/small business first. At least then you may have some potentional for increasing your income/promotion, and gain experience and marketable skills, which is not going to happen in retail. There's not really anywhere to move up at Wal-Mart.
Thanks for the link. I live here so I've seen it ...and actually am familiar with the county and the east coast of Florida, my father moved us here in 1962 to FLL.
I don't understand where you take issue with me saying our per capita income chart that you provided reflects wealthier residents especially here in Vero Beach where I originally posted that you rebutted. I never made a case that per capita income means come here there are plenty of jobs. Per capita income doesn't illustrate that it's a place is where people should flock for jobs. THAT'S what everybody who wants to or already lives in Florida ignores.
If you were to rely on per capita income to judge a place for jobs your model would fail because Florida has the 18th highest per capita income in the country so it's not exactly a predictor of where to move for jobs since this thread is about jobs.
(even though there ARE jobs here that meet the OP's request which is why I even mentioned it to begin with it's not like I was talking out of my butt and don't SEE THE SIGNS up on the store fronts and the ads online... you guys seem to think she's a child and needs lecturing)
And guess what. Retirees have ALWAYS been happy to do the criticized "low paying jobs" for fun and to keep busy after working our whole lives, we don't sit around watching TV. It's not going to change either. Everybody keeps complaining about it and it's been that way from forever. We lived in Tequesta in the 70's and Kmart was all retirees having fun (or supplementing income) when it was built.
This is ALSO why you cannot build a sociological case on some statistics. You don't understand the reasons behind it. The chart doesn't tell you that retiree type people CHOSE those jobs. Easy, no commitment, fun and you can pick your hours etc. (and yes, there are some living at or below the poverty line, too)
By the way, median household income is what is normally used look at to see the haves versus have not's regarding jobs, as the median income divides the distribution into two groups half above the median and half below. The numbers can be more meaningful.
You can't social engineer a place to be what you want it to be, specially overnight. Especially when the citizens are kind of apathetic and don't even value education, evidenced by Florida having the country's number one drop out rate. If you ALREADY KNOW that Florida has a chunk of min wage jobs, why in the world don't you learn a trade or skill? Because of lack of valuing education, that's why. Same as this state having 41% of all children on Medicaid. It's a vicious cycle, fewer businesses come here because fewer candidates meet their needs.
That's what happened in Port St Lucie. I was living down here in the 1970's before there was the rapid growth in the 1980s. PSL was nothing we didn't even bother driving through there. The population was about 300 people in 1970. It was around 55000 in 1990.
Everybody took a chance that they'd be successful living there REGARDLESS of the STATISTICS. It still goes on today and will forever IMO. Right on this forum there are young people DYING to BUY a foreclosure in a "beat up godforsaken neighborhood" in PSL as their ONLY opportunity to be a homeowner. As if homeownership is so great. You can't tell them stay home. Headstrong. I even remember PSL being on cable when CABLE was "new" in infomercials just like you see in Arkansas now with that guy from Chips cop tv show LOL.
Don't blame the residents living here now for not believing in distribution of wealth to make our city a catch all of everybody who loves palm trees.
Florida has always been a state that encouraged retirees, some wealthy transplants or snowbirds, and tourists. ala spring break starting here in 1935. Problem is somebody has to to the service jobs that go with it, medical and tourist. Florida continues to refuse to pay incentives overall everywhere for business. To Indian River's credit, they DID pay QVC to be here down in PSL and QVC provides jobs.
Businesses will move here when the county makes it attractive for them. Last night on the IRC political debates NONE of the candidates that I heard could answer the question "Name three proposals that you made to the county to bring in new businesses". NOT ANY. Loser politicians. Loser residents not paying attention, like everywhere else.
People make alot of generalizations about cities especially when they don't live in them or even never visited them For one, (reading the City Data page) Vero Beach (the town I ORIGINALLY mentioned not IRC) has 17,000 residents. Only 250 of them are in nursing homes. That destroys the myth that there are a bunch of low income slaves working on supporting incapacitated old people filling up nursing homes. There ARE 145 people living in college dorms, however.
Vero beach has a crime rate of 299 versus Orlando in the 900's. Vero Beach also has housing that is attainable especially if you're 55+, you can rent a great condo near the beach for 450 and up.
The whole town is only 11 square miles large, for goodness sakes, why would you be jumping on a simple statement that there are jobs here that fit her requests. I hope it isn't just to cause debate with links from across the country.
Since you live in the Midwest, an analogy would be some of my friends that live out there (Cornell Iowa specifically)....who have to drive an hour to college, an hour to a part time job, being limited in their choice of occupations. For example, a kid living with a bunch of corn and beef farmers out in nowheres land who might actually WANT to work in a hotel chain. Does it make sense to criticize the corn town for not having a Marriott resort there?
Last edited by runswithscissors; 08-13-2008 at 09:22 AM..
By the way, Sebastian, in the Indian River County is a fishing village north of Vero Beach. If a bunch of people move there knowing that the only jobs are the hospital or Walmart (it's NEW), why is that Sebastian's fault?
(other than them allowing building of WAY too many houses to support "workers")
Alot of people who love fishing may want to move there, bringing their money with them, not needing "jobs". It's the town that first attracted me to Indian River County because of wildlife conservation.
On the other hand, yes, you have Gloria Estefan the poster child for Miami, buying a place in Vero, opening up a RESORT, and donating proceeds from her next concert to the school system in honor of her mother, a teacher. She can't wait to escape Miami, herself.
Last edited by runswithscissors; 08-13-2008 at 09:28 AM..
Thanks for the link. I live here so I've seen it ...and actually am familiar with the county and the east coast of Florida, my father moved us here in 1962 to FLL.
I don't understand where you take issue with me saying our per capita income chart that you provided reflects wealthier residents especially here in Vero Beach where I originally posted that you rebutted. I never made a case that per capita income means come here there are plenty of jobs. Per capita income doesn't illustrate that it's a place is where people should flock for jobs. THAT'S what everybody who wants to or already lives in Florida ignores.
If you were to rely on per capita income to judge a place for jobs your model would fail because Florida has the 18th highest per capita income in the country so it's not exactly a predictor of where to move for jobs since this thread is about jobs.
(even though there ARE jobs here that meet the OP's request which is why I even mentioned it to begin with it's not like I was talking out of my butt and don't SEE THE SIGNS up on the store fronts and the ads online... you guys seem to think she's a child and needs lecturing)
And guess what. Retirees have ALWAYS been happy to do the criticized "low paying jobs" for fun and to keep busy after working our whole lives, we don't sit around watching TV. It's not going to change either. Everybody keeps complaining about it and it's been that way from forever. We lived in Tequesta in the 70's and Kmart was all retirees having fun (or supplementing income) when it was built.
This is ALSO why you cannot build a sociological case on some statistics. You don't understand the reasons behind it. The chart doesn't tell you that retiree type people CHOSE those jobs. Easy, no commitment, fun and you can pick your hours etc. (and yes, there are some living at or below the poverty line, too)
By the way, median household income is what is normally used look at to see the haves versus have not's regarding jobs, as the median income divides the distribution into two groups half above the median and half below. The numbers can be more meaningful.
You can't social engineer a place to be what you want it to be, specially overnight. Especially when the citizens are kind of apathetic and don't even value education, evidenced by Florida having the country's number one drop out rate. If you ALREADY KNOW that Florida has a chunk of min wage jobs, why in the world don't you learn a trade or skill? Because of lack of valuing education, that's why. Same as this state having 41% of all children on Medicaid. It's a vicious cycle, fewer businesses come here because fewer candidates meet their needs.
That's what happened in Port St Lucie. I was living down here in the 1970's before there was the rapid growth in the 1980s. PSL was nothing we didn't even bother driving through there. The population was about 300 people in 1970. It was around 55000 in 1990.
Everybody took a chance that they'd be successful living there REGARDLESS of the STATISTICS. It still goes on today and will forever IMO. Right on this forum there are young people DYING to BUY a foreclosure in a "beat up godforsaken neighborhood" in PSL as their ONLY opportunity to be a homeowner. As if homeownership is so great. You can't tell them stay home. Headstrong. I even remember PSL being on cable when CABLE was "new" in infomercials just like you see in Arkansas now with that guy from Chips cop tv show LOL.
Don't blame the residents living here now for not believing in distribution of wealth to make our city a catch all of everybody who loves palm trees.
Florida has always been a state that encouraged retirees, some wealthy transplants or snowbirds, and tourists. ala spring break starting here in 1935. Problem is somebody has to to the service jobs that go with it, medical and tourist. Florida continues to refuse to pay incentives overall everywhere for business. To Indian River's credit, they DID pay QVC to be here down in PSL and QVC provides jobs.
Businesses will move here when the county makes it attractive for them. Last night on the IRC political debates NONE of the candidates that I heard could answer the question "Name three proposals that you made to the county to bring in new businesses". NOT ANY. Loser politicians. Loser residents not paying attention, like everywhere else.
People make alot of generalizations about cities especially when they don't live in them or even never visited them For one, (reading the City Data page) Vero Beach (the town I ORIGINALLY mentioned not IRC) has 17,000 residents. Only 250 of them are in nursing homes. That destroys the myth that there are a bunch of low income slaves working on supporting incapacitated old people filling up nursing homes. There ARE 145 people living in college dorms, however.
Vero beach has a crime rate of 299 versus Orlando in the 900's. Vero Beach also has housing that is attainable especially if you're 55+, you can rent a great condo near the beach for 450 and up.
The whole town is only 11 square miles large, for goodness sakes, why would you be jumping on a simple statement that there are jobs here that fit her requests. I hope it isn't just to cause debate with links from across the country.
Since you live in the Midwest, an analogy would be some of my friends that live out there (Cornell Iowa specifically)....who have to drive an hour to college, an hour to a part time job, being limited in their choice of occupations. For example, a kid living with a bunch of corn and beef farmers out in nowheres land who might actually WANT to work in a hotel chain. Does it make sense to criticize the corn town for not having a Marriott resort there?
More employment and job seeker fun facts about little Vero Beach, accused of being a hotbed of the elite with a population of 17,000
Looks to me, that it's fairly even for a "wealthier" community. (these are citydata census numbers)
Also looks to me that there is employment. Not like ORLANDO but for the size of the city...
Vero Beach compared to Florida state average:
* Unemployed percentage below state average.
* Black race population percentage significantly above state average.
* Median age significantly above state average.
* Foreign-born population percentage above state average.
Household income: (MULTIPLE PERSONS)
Less than $10,000: 676
$10,000 to $14,999: 516
$15,000 to $19,999: 725
$20,000 to $24,999: 662
$25,000 to $29,999: 697
$30,000 to $34,999: 594
$35,000 to $39,999: 562
$40,000 to $44,999: 472
$45,000 to $49,999: 394
$50,000 to $59,999: 767
$60,000 to $74,999: 518
$75,000 to $99,999: 622
$100,000 to $124,999: 467
$125,000 to $149,999: 208
$150,000 to $199,999: 148
$200,000 or more: 510
For population 25 years and over in Vero Beach
Bachelor's degree or higher: 32.0%
Graduate or professional degree: 10.7%
Unemployed: 3.5%
Mean travel time to work: 17.7 minutes
Residents with income below the poverty level in 1999:
This city: 9.1%Whole state: 12.5%
Estimate of home value of owner-occupied houses in 2000 in Vero Beach, FL:
Less than $10,000: 5
$10,000 to $14,999: 0
$15,000 to $19,999: 8
$20,000 to $24,999: 0
$25,000 to $29,999: 0
$30,000 to $34,999: 40
$35,000 to $39,999: 16
$40,000 to $49,999: 83
$50,000 to $59,999: 308
$60,000 to $69,999: 203
$70,000 to $79,999: 255
$80,000 to $89,999: 228
$90,000 to $99,999: 248
$100,000 to $124,999: 277
$125,000 to $149,999: 343
$150,000 to $174,999: 341
$175,000 to $199,999: 291
$200,000 to $249,999: 184
$250,000 to $299,999: 188
$300,000 to $399,999: 345
$400,000 to $499,999: 175
$500,000 to $749,999: 215
$750,000 to $999,999: 74
$1,000,000 or more: 57
Rent paid by renters in 2000 in Vero Beach:
Less than $100: 8
$100 to $149: 25
$150 to $199: 9
$200 to $249: 69
$250 to $299: 98
$300 to $349: 142
$350 to $399: 247
$400 to $449: 332
$450 to $499: 423
$500 to $549: 276
$550 to $599: 311
$600 to $649: 240
$650 to $699: 190
$700 to $749: 111
$750 to $799: 51
$800 to $899: 128
$900 to $999: 37
$1,000 to $1,249: 65
$1,250 to $1,499: 0
$1,500 to $1,999: 31
$2,000 or more: 10
No cash rent: 147
Travel time to work
Less than 5 minutes: 429
5 to 9 minutes: 1662
10 to 14 minutes: 2029
15 to 19 minutes: 1461
20 to 24 minutes: 718
25 to 29 minutes: 196
30 to 34 minutes: 330
35 to 39 minutes: 32
40 to 44 minutes: 47
45 to 59 minutes: 174
60 to 89 minutes: 103
90 or more minutes: 219
[note, melbourne is about 1 hr, WPB and Orlando are about 1.5 hrs]
the number of sex offenders is 148 to 1 . Elitist sex offenders? NOPE, I looked them all up of interest is that number is much higher than all the popular cities. could be a difference in reporting, nobody knows why this is...
Last edited by runswithscissors; 08-13-2008 at 10:56 AM..
WOW talk about getting off track...here's the deal...I have just finished up working for a home oxygen company making very good money but hating my job every day because of m y coworker. That's not to say I wouldn't want to do the same job for a different company but that's not decided yet. The reason I asked about the min wage jobs (Walmart & Home Depot were just examples I could have just as easily said Target or Lowes...not the point) is because I won't be able to line up a job before I move but my husband will. I want to be sure I can contribute at least a couple hundred bucks a week to our budget until I get what some of you would consider a "Real Job." Then my min wage job would turn in to my part time job for money to put in savings. I don't know why I felt the need to explain myself but I thought a couple of you were very rude. What if I had a learning or medical disability where I wasn't capable of being more then a cashier or greeter. That is in no way meant to be durogatory. Some of you propably don't realize how difficult those jobs are. I do because I have always worked retail at least part time. Some of you should really think before you post. Thanks for letting me vent!
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I live here so I've seen it ...and actually am familiar with the county and the east coast of Florida, my father moved us here in 1962 to FLL.
9.1%Whole state: 
12.5%
Elitist sex offenders? NOPE, I looked them all up 
