07-19-2016, 01:38 PM
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A recent study ranks Cape Coral as the 17th safest city in the United States. See link below. Even with all of the stats and hard facts that show Cape Coral to be relatively safe, it still seems that every few weeks, some on this forum insist on spreading the myth that Cape Coral is dangerous. Watch for them to come out of the woodwork at any time.
The 25 safest American cities to live in - Business Insider
07-21-2016, 07:22 AM
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When you consider the population of Cape Coral and compare it to the number of crimes it IS low. I lived there from 1985-1990 and then from 1999-2009 before moving to Fort Myers. My mother has lived there since 1987. Nobody in my family was ever the victim of any crime and I don't personally know anyone who has been.
07-21-2016, 10:59 AM
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I don't care for the treeless landscape of Cape Coral which is why I love Gateway but if I had a choice of Cape Coral or Lehigh I would definitely choose Cape Coral.
I wouldn't call it "treeless", but it could certainly use more trees in several areas. Parts of south cape are okay, but there are many fairly barren areas in the northern cape. The real question is why aren't cape residents adding more trees / landscaping themselves to their own properties?
07-22-2016, 06:25 AM
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Good question - I've planted trees in both houses that I owned. They are now huge shade trees. If everybody who had a house in Cape Coral did that it would be much prettier. The city also needs to put some pretty smaller shade trees in more of the medians. It would really beautify Cape Coral.
07-22-2016, 07:33 AM
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Ft Myers has a population of 70K or so...The Cape has 165K.Doesn't make sense that Ft Myers has so much more crime than the cape.
07-23-2016, 06:51 AM
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You are referring to the city limits of Fort Myers while Fort Myers extends much further. When you get population figures it doesn't include anything outside those city limits so Fort Myers actually has a lot more people than 70K. Plus Cape Coral doesn't have the ghetto areas like Pine Manor or Dunbar like Fort Myers does and that's where most of the crime is concentrated.
07-23-2016, 08:59 AM
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You are referring to the city limits of Fort Myers while Fort Myers extends much further. When you get population figures it doesn't include anything outside those city limits so Fort Myers actually has a lot more people than 70K. Plus Cape Coral doesn't have the ghetto areas like Pine Manor or Dunbar like Fort Myers does and that's where most of the crime is concentrated.
The city limits define the population. All of the area outside the city limits of Fort Myers that may be generically called Fort Myers (because it has "Fort Myers" in the mailing address), is definitely not Fort Myers. But the point you are trying to raise (I think) is a valid one. The high crime
rate in Fort Myers that some people stress over, is a reflection of the low population within the confined city limits. 70,000 is just a decent sized suburb in any major metropolitan area. As a stand alone city, it's tiny. Most (but not all) of the really bad high crime areas are within the city limits so you have a large numerator (number of crimes) and a small denominator (population) when the crime statistics are calculated. If you were to take into account all of the population that has a Fort Myers mailing address, the calculated crime rate would plummet (i.e., the numerator would increase a little bit but the denominator would sky rocket). But that is not how the statistics are calculated. It would be interesting to see what a "Fort Myers mailing address" crime rate would be. Even more interesting would be to see what the crime rate is during the season (say in March) and what it is in the summer. I'll bet there is a huge difference.
The interesting thing is that the City of Fort Myers is aggressively expanding its borders into far more affluent areas (e.g., large parts of what was Gateway are now within the Fort Myers city limits with the expansion of Pelican Preserve and all the new construction along Treeline like Marina Bay and newer construction like Plantation is likewise within the city limits). In a couple of years, as these communities fill up, you will see the crime
rate of Fort Myers decrease, maybe significantly, solely due to the math. The area north of Colonial would not be any safer, and might even become more dangerous, but the large new areas being pulled into the city limits will be pretty close to crime free (nothing is completely crime free).
Everyone needs to pay attention to how these statistics are compiled. Simple math can cause big swings in rates while the situation on the ground is unchanged.
07-23-2016, 06:21 PM
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wjj - You have very valid points about the stats. What I don't know is whether they did use only the population within the city limits to do the calculations. It's possible that they actually did use anyone with a Fort Myers mailing address, and Ft. Myers still didn't make the top 25 safest nationally (a tough thing to do). Sometimes, you see various surveys that use MSAs (Metropolitan Statistical Areas). I'm not sure what was used for this survey. Anyway, ... excellent points you brought up.
07-24-2016, 09:46 AM
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wjj - You have very valid points about the stats. What I don't know is whether they did use only the population within the city limits to do the calculations. It's possible that they actually did use anyone with a Fort Myers mailing address, and Ft. Myers still didn't make the top 25 safest nationally (a tough thing to do). Sometimes, you see various surveys that use MSAs (Metropolitan Statistical Areas). I'm not sure what was used for this survey. Anyway, ... excellent points you brought up.
I couple years ago in another thread I went through the math and proved that the Fort Myers crime rate was determined based only on the crime and population within the city limits. The rate tied exactly to the number of crimes over the population solely within the city limits.
I think the federal census MSA for this area is all of Lee County, so that would not advance the discussion very much (combining Fort Myers, Cape Coral, Lehigh Acres, Estero, San Carlos Park, Gateway, South Fort Myers, northern Bonita Springs, FM Beach, Sanibel, Captiva, Mirromar, etc. probably would not be very enlightening).
We almost did not buy in the area 5 years ago, largely due to comments on this site, until I drilled down into all of the statistics being thrown about. We had been coming down to the Fort Myers area for many years and just did not see all the "horribles" being discussed by some (certainly not all) on this site and others like it. There was a clear disconnect between the positive experience we had in the 8 years we had been coming to the area and what people were saying on various message boards. It took a while, but after analyzing the various statistics, it finally became clear that the high crime areas were contained to a few areas (though more scattered about than I was used to coming from the Chicago area) and the rest of the area was very nice and much of it was quite upscale. So we bought in Gateway and have had no regrets.
07-25-2016, 03:41 PM
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I wouldn't call it "treeless", but it could certainly use more trees in several areas. Parts of south cape are okay, but there are many fairly barren areas in the northern cape. The real question is why aren't cape residents adding more trees / landscaping themselves to their own properties?
I did my share.. planted Royals, bushes, some tropical bird of paradise, and Christmas palms and other palms . And some flowers, geraniums , and vincas.. I bought the back lot behind my property so I am going to plant some shade trees that flower and maybe some caladiums and elephant ears.. Some people took every bush , every plant out from their home, they don't want the maintenance.. I don't mind.. I love yard work in the nice weather. A good hobby.
I love to ride around the neighborhoods that have many different palms and bushes to get ideas.. I am from NJ so I am still learning what to plant that would be suitable for certain areas.
Also had brick work around trees and some curbing.. still have many things I can do.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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