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Hey, thanks for haring. Absolutely love Paul Heinegg's work. The John Busby he refers to their is part of the family I mentioned in a nearby South Carolina county. That John is too young to mine, mine was born in the 1730s or so, his son (my ancestor) was born in 1762.
I highly suspect they are related.
Additionally Heinegg's research on the the Busby/Scott kid has been very interesting to me. It points out that in North Carolina a Thomas Chavis was assigned to take the kid to his family in South Carolina (Thomas Chavis being mixed race as well), it turns out his like brother Phillip Chavis had land right next to another John Busby, likely a nephew of my John Busby.
So it seems likely both families are related to my Busbys.
Interesting!
I have recently discovered some Chavis ancestors as well. We may be VERY distant cousins lol.
One of my 4th great grandmothers was a Bass and she was related to the Chavis family. She was born in NC but the family also had land in SC. They were originally from VA.
I have recently discovered some Chavis ancestors as well. We may be VERY distant cousins lol.
One of my 4th great grandmothers was a Bass and she was related to the Chavis family. She was born in NC but the family also had land in SC. They were originally from VA.
Wow, very interesting... It's certainly possible we may be cousins I know the Chavis/Ivey/Busby proximity goes back to Virginia where all this mixed-race stuff seems to stem from for many of the related lines.
Specifically all these families that have mixed race people interacting (Chavis, Ivey, Busby, Gibson, etc) mostly tie back to Chipoakes Creek in Surry County, Virginia.
An interesting list of overlaps here (on top of the ones I've identified)
Quote:
Thomas Chavis purchased 1,100 acres of land at the head of Sunken Marsh near Chipoakes Creek in Surry County, Virginia, on 20 May 1659
*Thomas Busby (born about 1674) was an “Indyan boy” servant to Mr. Robert Caufield of Surry Co. VA in July of 1684 when his age was adjudged at 10 years (Haun, Surry County Records 1682-91, 444) -
Will of Capt. Robert Caufield,... to Samuel Newton and John Collins, wife Elizabeth. Dated Jan. 2, 1691;proved Jan. 19, 1691. [Capt. Robert Caufield was son of William Caufield, of the parish of Chippoakes, Surry county, and Doreas, his wife.
Leiut. Robert Sheppard due 650 acres of land in James City Co., 26 July 16 38, for transporting 13 persons ... the list includes Robert Swett. The land granted to Robert Sheppard at this time was on the south bank of the James River at Chippokes Creek
William Knott, 312 Acres, Surry Co 28 Mar 1666, p. 482 (land patents). 112 acres on south side of James River on south side of Upper Chipoake Creek, bounded NW on land of Edward Oliver, N upon Wm. Thomas, E on George Gibson & SE on Mr. Fisher; 200 acres on south side of said River, Wly. on Jeremiah Clements, NW on Edward Oliver, Nly on Wm. Thomas, George Gibson & Edward Minter, Ely. on Wm. Gapins land & **Mr. Thomas Busbie and SE on Mr. Richard Hill
Phillis Goeing, was presented by the grand jury in Charles City in November 1739 for having a bastard child. She petitioned the court in July 1745 asking her children be bound to George Gibson. (Probably son or grandson of Gibby Gibson of Westover, Charles City County.)
*This Thomas Busby 'may be' the Indian boy mentioned. The Ivey DNA has matches to the Busby family. **This Thomas Busby on Chippoakes Creek 1666, neighbor of George Gibson, was a trader and Interpreter for the crown. In the 1684 tax list one Peter Gibson is found living in household of Thomas Busby.
As it turns out my grandmother comes up with a small amount of high confidence Native American in lines unrelated to my African ancestry, though it leads back to an Andrew Russell born in the 1780s in South Carolina and a brother, cousin, or nephew Gibson Russell b. 1808 (a descendant of Gibson shares the same Russell DNA segment which includes Native DNA, also Gibson Russell is found living next to my Andrew in Alabama). They might lead back to Darlington Co., SC area where a lot of the mixed race and possibly tri-racial descendants of Gibsons and others ended up. Obviously with Gibson Russell's first name being what it is I wonder if I descend from the same the mixed race Gibsons on that line, my Native American segment would potentially then confirm they did have at least some Native DNA too.
Wow, very interesting... It's certainly possible we may be cousins I know the Chavis/Ivey/Busby proximity goes back to Virginia where all this mixed-race stuff seems to stem from for many of the related lines.
Specifically all these families that have mixed race people interacting (Chavis, Ivey, Busby, Gibson, etc) mostly tie back to Chipoakes Creek in Surry County, Virginia.
An interesting list of overlaps here (on top of the ones I've identified)
As it turns out my grandmother comes up with a small amount of high confidence Native American in lines unrelated to my African ancestry, though it leads back to an Andrew Russell born in the 1780s in South Carolina and a brother, cousin, or nephew Gibson Russell b. 1808 (a descendant of Gibson shares the same Russell DNA segment which includes Native DNA, also Gibson Russell is found living next to my Andrew in Alabama). They might lead back to Darlington Co., SC area where a lot of the mixed race and possibly tri-racial descendants of Gibsons and others ended up. Obviously with Gibson Russell's first name being what it is I wonder if I descend from the same the mixed race Gibsons on that line, my Native American segment would potentially then confirm they did have at least some Native DNA too.
It's a small world!
I don't know if this is possibly a relative of yours. There is a book called “The Invisible Line” by Daniel J. Sharfstein. The book follows three mixed race men whose families identify as white after a generation or two. Here is an article on it. Book Review - The Invisible Line - By Daniel J. Sharfstein - The New York Times One of the family lines is through a Gideon Gibson in South Carolina. The book is more of a study on race, but I bought it to read because I'm possibly related to one of the other men. I was curious about the history.
Not much that is shocking. My family is many generations of farmers.
The only black mark is an ancestor who opened a lumber mill in one of the mid country states (territories) and prospered until all the trees in the area were gone and he had to close the mill and move on. A bit embarrassing to me since I am much in favor of protecting the environment.
I don't know if this is possibly a relative of yours. There is a book called “The Invisible Line” by Daniel J. Sharfstein. The book follows three mixed race men whose families identify as white after a generation or two. Here is an article on it. Book Review - The Invisible Line - By Daniel J. Sharfstein - The New York Times One of the family lines is through a Gideon Gibson in South Carolina. The book is more of a study on race, but I bought it to read because I'm possibly related to one of the other men. I was curious about the history.
Thanks for sharing. As it turns out that Gibson family is likely related.
I learned some very shocking things researching my family history.I learned that some of my ancestors were involved in witchcraft trials and I am related to Dr.H.H. Holmes through them.He was the country's first serial killer.I even heard that Dr.Holmes is alledged to be Jack the Ripper.Dont know if that true or not.
I even heard that Dr.Holmes is alledged to be Jack the Ripper.Dont know if that true or not.
Highly unlikely. Holmes was known to be living in Chicago in 1888 during the Ripper murders, refurbishing the building that would be the "Murder Castle". It's unlikely he would leave in the middle of overseeing such work for months to go to London. It's also unlikely that having given into his murderous urges in London 1888, he would then stop for years before resuming again in 1891 in Chicago. Typically, serial killers escalate until caught or dead, they don't stop murdering for such a length of time, then resume after years. Additionally, their MOs are completely different. The Ripper liked to cut and mutilate his victims (hence the name), and his victims were always women, prostitutes. IIRC, Holmes primarily liked to lock people up and gas them to death, and some of his victims were men. Series killers don't change their MO that drastically. Ripper experts don't even consider Holmes as a potential suspect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper_suspects
Highly unlikely. Holmes was known to be living in Chicago in 1888 during the Ripper murders, refurbishing the building that would be the "Murder Castle". It's unlikely he would leave in the middle of overseeing such work for months to go to London. It's also unlikely that having given into his murderous urges in London 1888, he would then stop for years before resuming again in 1891 in Chicago. Typically, serial killers escalate until caught or dead, they don't stop murdering for such a length of time, then resume after years. Additionally, their MOs are completely different. The Ripper liked to cut and mutilate his victims (hence the name), and his victims were always women, prostitutes. IIRC, Holmes primarily liked to lock people up and gas them to death, and some of his victims were men. Series killers don't change their MO that drastically. Ripper experts don't even consider Holmes as a potential suspect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper_suspects
I learned some very shocking things researching my family history.I learned that some of my ancestors were involved in witchcraft trials and I am related to Dr.H.H. Holmes through them.He was the country's first serial killer.I even heard that Dr.Holmes is alledged to be Jack the Ripper.Dont know if that true or not.
As it turns out he's a distant cousin of my as well, through Stephen Bachiler
Highly unlikely. Holmes was known to be living in Chicago in 1888 during the Ripper murders, refurbishing the building that would be the "Murder Castle". It's unlikely he would leave in the middle of overseeing such work for months to go to London. It's also unlikely that having given into his murderous urges in London 1888, he would then stop for years before resuming again in 1891 in Chicago. Typically, serial killers escalate until caught or dead, they don't stop murdering for such a length of time, then resume after years. Additionally, their MOs are completely different. The Ripper liked to cut and mutilate his victims (hence the name), and his victims were always women, prostitutes. IIRC, Holmes primarily liked to lock people up and gas them to death, and some of his victims were men. Series killers don't change their MO that drastically. Ripper experts don't even consider Holmes as a potential suspect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper_suspects
Not to hijack the topic, but there's also the fact that Holmes built an entire building to not only trap his victims, but also easily dispose of the bodies with trap doors and such. The forethought he put into it was astounding, and the reason it's called the Murder Castle is not because so many murders occurred there, but because the whole building was designed for murder. He not only preferred to commit murders in his home, but he actually lured people to it by making it a hotel during the Chicago World Fair.
This is also completely different to the Ripper's approach, which seemed very much opportunistic. The Ripper stalked the streets of Whitechapel, choosing prostitutes seemingly at random. The murders occurred usually either in the victim's home (where she took him for prostitution), or on the streets, in a quiet area where they could be alone. The Ripper clearly preferred to commit his murders away from his home, in whatever location was available.
Okay, I'm done hijacking now, sorry.
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I know the Chavis/Ivey/Busby proximity goes back to Virginia where all this mixed-race stuff seems to stem from for many of the related lines.
