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Old 02-28-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I was not suggesting Wisconsin and Michigan will ever have a climate similar to the French Riviara. What I am saying is that the Upper Midwest is not nearly as far north as its residents believe it is. The region is centered on the 45tg parallel, only halfway to the pole. Most places at this latitude are warmer than the Upper Midwest, there is no reason for the place to remain that cold indefinitely. Climate changes naturally, always has and it always will.
Danielj, the only thing you are missing is this: the age of engaging the non-believers is over. They have reached the point of total irrelevance. They need to be ignored.

That is, unless you’d like to argue with a flat earther, gravty denier, and a creationist who tells you nothing ever evolved (especially their brains)
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Old 02-28-2019, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Boston will feel like Baltimore
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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I can see how upper Midwest states like Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan could have their realities altered far more significantly than some places. If you think about it though those places are not as far north as you think, only 45 degrees north. That is similar to the latitude in Southern Europe. The upper Midwest is far colder today than most places at a similar latitude. What that map is suggesting is that climate change will make their weather more normal for locales at the 45th parallel.
Actually, it's Europe that's warmer than it should be at a similar latitude, since the Gulf Stream artificially modifies the climate. Without the Gulf Stream, winters would be much more severe across Europe outside of the Mediterranean basin. This is why areas of Scandinavia (particularly coastal Norway) have relatively temperate climates despite being at or even north of the Arctic Circle.

There's also a hypothesis among some climatologists that as the temperature of the Earth continues to increase, that at some point ocean currents might be affected in such a way that the Gulf Stream shuts down entirely. That would be catastrophic for Europe.
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Old 02-28-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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Actually, it's Europe that's warmer than it should be at a similar latitude, since the Gulf Stream artificially modifies the climate. Without the Gulf Stream, winters would be much more severe across Europe outside of the Mediterranean basin. This is why areas of Scandinavia (particularly coastal Norway) have relatively temperate climates despite being at or even north of the Arctic Circle.

There's also a hypothesis among some climatologists that as the temperature of the Earth continues to increase, that at some point ocean currents might be affected in such a way that the Gulf Stream shuts down entirely. That would be catastrophic for Europe.
The Gulf Stream effect is a myth. European mildness just comes from being windward of a major ocean, just like all West Coasts.
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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The Gulf Stream effect is hardly a myth!
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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The Gulf Stream effect is a myth. European mildness just comes from being windward of a major ocean, just like all West Coasts.
Do you have evidence it's a myth? I've always heard it's true. But if you have some evidence I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just actually really like to read it and expand my knowledge to better understand how this might affect Europe.
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Miami (prev. NY, Atlanta, SF, OC and San Diego)
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Miami will feel like Atlantis in 60 years
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