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Old 06-23-2019, 08:46 PM
 
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What are the biggest downtowns by employment at this point. I have seen some studies, but most are dated at this point. I would be curious to see how it's changed with so many cities seeing downtown construction booms.

Let's leave NYC out of the discussion, since it has so many potential definitions of downtown.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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Chicago and Illinois actually keep very tabulated data on employment. You can see different areas in the city of Chicago's employment levels going back to the 1980's, along with the suburbs and counties, etc.

Downtown has seen the strongest recovery after the recession at 28% employment growth. The city as a whole has seen 18% growth while the suburban areas have seen 13%.

Trends in downtown employment:

1985: 494,613
1989: 521,631
1993: 474,862
1999: 520,598
2003: 497,086
2008: 520,409
2010: 479,199
2018: 612,914 +28%

You can see the office employment boom up until 1989, then the bust after, the boom up until the late 1990's, then the bust after, the boom up until 2008 and then the great recession, and then after that is when Chicago stopped wafting between the same peaks and troughs and now has a downtown employ level of around 613,000 and growing by around 15,000-20,000 per year the past five years or so.

Employment levels downtown are nearly 20% above their historical peaks.

Total city employment has also been going up after the huge loss of manufacturing jobs in the 1970's and 1980's.

Total city employment:

1985: 1,163,622
1993: 1,085,006
2008: 1,096,131
2010: 1,011,151
2018: 1,197,131 +18%

Finally passed the peak in the 1980's. The difference was so many of those jobs in the 1980's were manufacturing jobs that left for overaseas and they were finally backfilled by mostly downtown white collar jobs as we move towards 2020.

Chicago metro area employment (Illinois portion only)

1985: 2,650,282
1993: 3,024,101
2008: 3,421,997
2010: 3,133,051
2018: 3,596,871 +15%

Chicago suburban area employment (Illinois portion only)

1985: 1,486,660
1993: 1,939,095
2008: 2,325,866
2010: 2,121,900
2018: 2,399,740 +13%

City of Chicago outside of downtown has just now started seeing a recovery after decades of lost jobs:

1985: 669,099
1993: 610,144
2008: 575,722
2010: 531,951
2018: 584,217 +10%

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Old 06-24-2019, 01:14 PM
 
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Counting downtowns will be tough...even cities that provide downtown stats will have very different ideas about what to include in "downtown."
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Old 06-25-2019, 04:36 AM
 
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Chicago followed closely by DC... SF & Boston probably a distant 4/5th and every other city is rather insignificant
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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Chicago followed closely by DC... SF & Boston probably a distant 4/5th and every other city is rather insignificant
What Blather...
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Old 06-30-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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What Blather...
Relative to the work force that resides in the cities downtown CBD? not really. Downtown DC has more occupied office space then Chicago, and has the second largest influx of commuters outside of NYC.

Boston, San Fransisco let alone Atlanta or Dallas are not DC's peer in downtown core work force population. Houston is an oddball as like NYC it lacks a single designated "core" per say

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Old 06-30-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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Relative to the work force that resides in the cities downtown CBD? not really. Downtown DC has more occupied office space then Chicago, and has the second largest influx of commuters outside of NYC.

Boston, San Fransisco let alone Atlanta, Dallas are not DC's peer in downtown core work force population. Houston is an oddball as like NYC it lacks a single designated "core" per say
Frankly the difference between DC and Boston is more more due to how the cities define what Downtown is than a difference in employment in the central core.
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Old 06-30-2019, 09:10 AM
 
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Frankly the difference between DC and Boston is more more due to how the cities define what Downtown is than a difference in employment in the central core.
I agree statistics should be counted with a grain of salt as their is no universal measurement for these things
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Old 07-02-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Downtown DC has more occupied office space then Chicago.
I believe NYC, Chicago and DC are in order based on almost all criteria.

As for Chicago and DC:

Office Sq Feet:
Chicago: 133,199,927
DC: 111,032,042

Occupied Sq Feet:
Chicago: 114,747,420
DC: 95,553,003

Under Construction:
Chicago: 4,964,634
DC: 2,924,247

http://www.cushmanwakefield.com/en/r...ffice-snapshot
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Old 07-02-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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Frankly the difference between DC and Boston is more more due to how the cities define what Downtown is than a difference in employment in the central core.
I don't think so.
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