Georgia will recount all votes in presidential race by hand, Secretary of State says (Washington: crime, home)

[cwkimbro]

The problem I see is an audit to check the validity of the counting machines would be more detailed and accurate if they did it based on a random sample of containers of ballots where we could reference the tabulations the machines produced of those containers and compare that to the hand count of the same containers.

The reason sticking to a sample for an audit is important is they can reduce human error through counting fatigue, especially when under a rush and they can better see if there were differences in the tabulations of selected containers between the machine count and hand count.

A proper audit should also look at all races on the ballot. This can turn up potential errors that might have only affect the way the software was created for one race and maybe it wasn't caught for something as small as state House seat where fewer voters vote on it. Smaller down ballot glitches would be more likely missed.

But twisting the audit rules to do a full hand ballot recount of every ballot in severely limited time of only a single race we aren't auditing the whole election and we are potentially going to have a situation where human error via fatigue and pressure to do too much too fast in the hand count might be greater than the error in the machine count. So if we end up with a discrepancy, we won't know in what direction it was likely caused.

That is why the recount rules do not allow for a hand count and rely on a machine count and that is why he had to twist the audit rules to allow for a full hand count.

But if the mission was to thoroughly audit the machines and all contests across the ballots for potential glitches, we would be far better off with a random sample of containers of ballots that would be wide spread enough to include all counting machines and all local districts, yet small enough that there is time to triple-hand count tabulations of ballot containers that show any count discrepancies are more likely from the machine count. That allows us to verify thoroughly the count error wasn't caused by the hand count and was definitely from the machine count if a discrepancy occurs.

Then, if God forbid, we had to do a full hand count extending after Nov 20 due to large discrepancies found in the audit we would at least know there was a reason for it and a court would mandate the extension of the Nov 20th deadline.

My fear is the hand recount might cause chaos and/or unneeded distrust in the election system as any discrepancy could be due to human error in the hand count or the machine count. Statewide we are going to have a few thousand people involved on this hand count in 159 different places, so even a human error of 1 or 2 per person could cause issues. It is highly doubtful the error would go beyond 14k votes, but my fear is if it ends up different by say 3k votes, do we have enough information to know if the error was from the machine count vs. the hand count? This is particularly important when everyone it going to nitpick this so much and it will impact how secure they feel about our voting process.


Audits and recounts have different purposes and they are set up different ways, so the audit can be a more detailed check whereas a recount has to include every last ballot.

[Maryclaire]

According to news reports the Secretary of State is not having a legal recount...no signature verification, observers are so far away they can’t see, won’t allow data analysis on voter counts...please call 404 656 2817.

[JayHey]

You need to consider other news sources, Maryclaire. Local and national news reporting I've read on the topic have made it clear that this isn't a recount, it's an audit, which was required by a new state law which directed that one election this year have an audit which compares the computer tally to a hand count of votes. So by law this audit has to happen right now, since this is the last election of the year. That it's a total audit is a bit frustrating and not required by the law, but it's what is happening.

Don't know what you mean about signature verification, that was done on the envelope or voter card, in America no one signs their name to their ballot and we've used this process called secret ballots for the last 120 or so years, it's worked out pretty well for us. We sign the voter cards at the poll or the envelope if voting by mail, that confirms we are who we say we are. Ballots, which is what is being tallied right now, have no signatures.

Official partisan observers are allowed direct access to where the votes are being tallied, a rule suggested by the Republican Sec. of State's office and agreed upon by both parties. Public unaffiliated observers have to watch the process off to the side, since allowing unverified people to get so close as to be able to touch the votes or workers doesn't sound very secure to me and I'm sure you would agree. It's one of those common sense rules which no one of right mind could object to.

The data sheets containing all the voting analysis have always been released once all the votes have been certified. So that should come right after this audit is finished. There will probably be a recount since we'll likely be within the recount threshold after the certification is done. But, historically the largest recount swing has been in the couple hundreds and Biden is ahead by about 16,000, but luckily the recount will be able to count the votes using machines again, which will help speed up the process when compared to this audit.

To recap, those bad things you're worried about aren't actually happening and while the total audit is somewhat frustrating because of how long it will take it is legal and completely above board.

P.S. I'm sure that phone number you posted to the Corporations Division of Sec. of State's office has nothing at all to do with the voting process. That office is for incorporating a business.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Recount doesn’t do or change anything. An audit would actually have to happen to catch any fraud. Recounts rarely ever sway the original numbers in any meaningful metric.

Well if there are any voting machine irregularities, it would catch it.

[LynnHarris1]

Well-known Georgia attorney files suit against Secretary of State

https://www.11alive.com/article/news...2-41768db6cacc

SOURCE: 11 Alive News

[Kevroqs]

Originally Posted by irishvanguard

I'm am not sure that the hand count is what is legally necessary.

But if the boss tells you to do it....

Would you rather prefer using the software that counted Trump votes for Biden?

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

Would you rather prefer using the software that counted Trump votes for Biden?

Source?

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

Would you rather prefer using the software that counted Trump votes for Biden?

Fake news alert.

[LynnHarris1]

Elections director asked to step down after 2,600 ballots not initially counted in Floyd County

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/...CQ5BKP4O6BR5A/

[Listener2307]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

Would you rather prefer using the software that counted Trump votes for Biden?

Actually, I would like to see an analysis of that software. And I suppose it will happen, too.