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I don't know i volunteered for pp and talked to a lot of teachers and the many of teaching for 30+ years saying they teach about the same stuff. I mean my friends daughter saw the same video i did for petes sake....and my mother and older sister did too , And while you might tell your daughter blue mama.....many don't say a word.
Y'know, quite frankly, paganmama80, I think a lot of girls know better, but give themselves the lackadaisical reasoning that "it just won't happen" to them.
So you're idea is make her have the child she can't raise that you will have to help pay for? Or are you saying they should get no help and just everyone suffers? clarify on that point please. No fault divorce has only allowed women and men the eaze of getting out of unhappy marriages before. People now an option to leave without making the court believe it is justified. that along with more women working....was bound to happen.
I simply do not agree with nanny state socialism created to support unwed mothers that couldn't keep their legs closed. Let charities help them out instead, of which there are plenty. Maybe then we'd see a decline in teen pregnancy? Since abortion was ruled legal the rates have increased. Call me crazy but I doubt that's a coincidence.
What they need to do is look what happened between 1993 and 2002 when teen pregnancy rates dropped like a rock and find a way to replicate that. Absconding personal responsiblity by having daddy govt step in isn't the way to go about it.
I simply do not agree with nanny state socialism created to support unwed mothers that couldn't keep their legs closed. Let charities help them out instead, of which there are plenty. Maybe then we'd see a decline in teen pregnanc?. Since abortion was ruled legal the rates have skyrocketed. Call me crazy but I doubt that's a coincidence. What they need to do is look what happened between 1993 and 2002 when teen pregnancy rates dropped like a rock and find a way to replicate that. Absconding presonal responsiblity isn't the way to go about it.
Actually teen pregnancies have been decreasing since roe v wade you had a brief spike in the late 80s and early 90's which could possibly be tied to a long period of conservative policies promoting abstinence....you see a similar spike the last few years during bushes last term. And abortions have been cut 50 percent since the late 70's....so your data might be a bit off there. And while i agree it's irritating to help them out....part of being a society is being socially responsible...and since most people are selfish...you have to help people through taxes. It doesn't make much sense to punish the mother if the child gets it too does it?
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Y'know, quite frankly, paganmama80, I think a lot of girls know better, but give themselves the lackadaisical reasoning that "it just won't happen" to them.
A very costly assumption on many levels.
Perhaps there are some....but if there was better education i still feel you would cut the numbers in half. It makes more sense on a tax level to just do that then deal with the consequences of teen pregnancy.
I am so sick of people that say the girls need to keep their legs closed. Why is it that everyone always blames the girl? It is almost always the boy who pushes for sex in the first place. Why don't the parents of boys teach them to keep their pec****s in their pants? Buy your teenage boys a blow up doll and tell them to have at it. ........and leave the girls alone.
And yes, girls should be able to get abortions without parental consent.........they got pregnant without parental consent..........so that horse is already out of the barn, isn't it?
Now, know this..........no matter how much you preach abstinence to teens.......they are still going to have sex. Wake up to the real world.
As a tax payer, I would rather my tax dollars go to providing birth control and abortions to teens than have to pay to support the mother and child for 18 years. THAT is basic Economics 101.
Those of you that seek to punish a teenage girl for getting pregnant by limiting her access to abortion are also going to punish the tax payer with 18 years of child support. Not just child support either, most of the time you will be paying to support the mother too.
Crunch those numbers before you whine about paying for birth control and abortion.
And another thing, once a teen mom ends up on the public dole, she is more likely to have even more children for the taxpayer to support.
equal justice to what? They will both be scared kids...what point are you trying to make here?
That abortion is murder of a growing human being inside the womb.
Again, consent is different than notification. I am against abortion; however, if the minor is very young the pregnancy may indeed endanger her life. Invasive surgeries require the consent of a legal guardian. If the child's life can be medically proven to be in imminent danger from the pregnancy then there are legal avenues that can be taken to appoint legal guardianship. Should schools be allowed to ship minor girls out during the school day for abortions unknown to their parents, absolutely NOT!
I am so sick of people that say the girls need to keep their legs closed. Why is it that everyone always blames the girl? It is almost always the boy who pushes for sex in the first place. Why don't the parents of boys teach them to keep their pec****s in their pants? Buy your teenage boys a blow up doll and tell them to have at it. ........and leave the girls alone.
And yes, girls should be able to get abortions without parental consent.........they got pregnant without parental consent..........so that horse is already out of the barn, isn't it?
Now, know this..........no matter how much you preach abstinence to teens.......they are still going to have sex. Wake up to the real world.
As a tax payer, I would rather my tax dollars go to providing birth control and abortions to teens than have to pay to support the mother and child for 18 years. THAT is basic Economics 101.
Those of you that seek to punish a teenage girl for getting pregnant by limiting her access to abortion are also going to punish the tax payer with 18 years of child support. Not just child support either, most of the time you will be paying to support the mother too.
Crunch those numbers before you whine about paying for birth control and abortion.
And another thing, once a teen mom ends up on the public dole, she is more likely to have even more children for the taxpayer to support.
Actually teen pregnancies have been decreasing since roe v wade you had a brief spike in the late 80s and early 90's which could possibly be tied to a long period of conservative policies promoting abstinence....you see a similar spike the last few years during bushes last term. And abortions have been cut 50 percent since the late 70's....so your data might be a bit off there. And while i agree it's irritating to help them out....part of being a society is being socially responsible...and since most people are selfish...you have to help people through taxes. It doesn't make much sense to punish the mother if the child gets it too does it?
Looks like you're conflating teen pregnancy and abortion rates.
From 73 to 81 teen pregnancy rates increased, tapered off slightly, shot up significantly from around 88 to 91, and then dropped like a rock a year or so later until around 2000 and have been inching up slightly ever since. It's lower than what it was back in the 70s mainly because of sex-ed, advocacy groups, and awareness campaigns. People are much more well informed today than previous generations. If it wasn't for the lower pregnancy rates abortion rates would be significantly higher. That said, people today have much more sex outside of committed relationships. See also: hookup culture. While teen pregnancy rates may have dropped as a result of interventionist policies, teens are having more sex than ever. The fallback notion that "oh well, I'll just get an abortion" is what we'll be seeing soon as fruit of the abstinence programs. Oh, wait, we already are as the teen pregnancy rates are going back up. It's akin to getting married and saying "oh well, if it doesn't work out I'll just get divorced". I digress, this isn't about teen pregnancy and it's turning into a red herring. Time to get back to the abortion topic at hand.
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I am so sick of people that say the girls need to keep their legs closed. Why is it that everyone always blames the girl?
Because barring getting raped she has 100% control over what happens. That's the reality of reproduction. No matter how bad he might want to have sex, if she doesn't consent it ain't happening. Ultimately she holds all the power over what happens.
That abortion is murder of a growing human being inside the womb.
Again, consent is different than notification. I am against abortion; however, if the minor is very young the pregnancy may indeed endanger her life. Invasive surgeries require the consent of a legal guardian. If the child's life can be medically proven to be in imminent danger from the pregnancy then there are legal avenues that can be taken to appoint legal guardianship. Should schools be allowed to ship minor girls out during the school day for abortions unknown to their parents, absolutely NOT!
It's a fetus not a human being yet. And it's not murder....murder is with malice...of which i had none when i had my abortion. And yes schools should offer access with or without their parents notice if need be....ultimately a womens body is hers.
Looks like you're conflating teen pregnancy and abortion rates.
From 73 to 81 teen pregnancy rates increased, tapered off slightly, shot up significantly from around 88 to 91, and then dropped like a rock a year or so later until around 2000 and have been inching up slightly ever since. It's lower than what it was back in the 70s mainly because of sex-ed, advocacy groups, and awareness campaigns. People are much more well informed today than previous generations. If it wasn't for the lower pregnancy rates abortion rates would be significantly higher. That said, people today have much more sex outside of committed relationships. See also: hookup culture. While teen pregnancy rates may have dropped as a result of interventionist policies, teens are having more sex than ever. The fallback notion that "oh well, I'll just get an abortion" is what we'll be seeing soon as fruit of the abstinence programs. Oh, wait, we already are as the teen pregnancy rates are going back up. It's akin to getting married and saying "oh well, if it doesn't work out I'll just get divorced". I digress, this isn't about teen pregnancy and it's turning into a red herring. Time to get back to the abortion topic at hand.
Because barring getting raped she has 100% control over what happens. That's the reality of reproduction. No matter how bad he might want to have sex, if she doesn't consent it ain't happening. Ultimately she holds all the power over what happens.
No i have my numbers solid Teen Pregnancy: Trends And Lessons Learned The teen pregnancy rates didn't begin rising until the mid till late 80s. I think maybe you are mixing up the number of unwed pregnancies with total pregnancies....anyway you are right back to the topic at hand.
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, And while you might tell your daughter blue mama.....many don't say a word.
........and leave the girls alone.
