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Old 05-24-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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"The long waits for treatment, with excessive delays resulting in as many as 40 deaths, are a tragically predictable outcome. This is the result of bureaucratic rationing, price controls, inefficiencies and the inevitable cover-ups."
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"John Fund, citing Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute, notes that 344,000 veterans' care claims are now backed up and waiting to be processed, that it takes an average of 160 days for health-benefit approval, and that according to VA figures for 2012, veteran appeals face an average wait time of 1,598 days, or more than four years."
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"The Paul Krugmans of the world and their leftist allies call VA health care a triumph of socialist medicine. But once again we find out that this triumph is a defeat and that socialism doesn't work.

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The VA failed our veterans and Socialism failed the VA. Simply put, Socialism is a kissing cousin to Communism and does not work either.
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Old 05-24-2014, 09:12 PM
 
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This put some historical perspective to the whole affair. Rather than blaming "socialism" I would more blame lawmakers for not having the courage to fully and properly fund the "socialism" already promised.
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Old 05-24-2014, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Wilsonville, OR
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This has nothing to do with socialism. Socialism implies social ownership of the means of production and a specific form of economic management. Public welfare programs, or even a full-blown welfare state, do not necessarily imply any form of socialism proper is present. Even the most left-leaning northern European countries have active capitalist economies.
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Old 05-24-2014, 09:47 PM
 
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The VA is in financial trouble like most other institutions. There are so many vets to care for and new ones trying to get care everyday. The VA is overwhelmed with new claims. And what is scary is if there would be a big war and new vets would be coming in by the thousands needing care. What would they do? They couldn't let them sit out in the streets and die. But this isn't the first time that the VA has had trouble. During the Vietnam war the VA was the most corrupt institution in the U.S. It was awful. Often one nurse on a whole floor of veterans in the hospital and that one nurse had to hand out all the medicine to vets etc. There were many homeless vets back then too. But something has to be done. I am thinking of volunteer work. That might help.
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Old 05-25-2014, 01:48 AM
 
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The problems with the VA don't prove that socialist health care doesn't work any more than a flat tire on my car "proves" that automobiles don't work. What the current crisis at the VA proves is that no health care system in the world will function properly if it is not sufficiently funded or properly administered, and that the Obama administration is incompetent and incapable of administering anything more complicated than a Saturday afternoon high school bake sale. The problem is not the concept, but the implementation.
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Old 05-25-2014, 02:59 AM
 
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Curious, how many people chiming in here has a close family member who relies on the VA.
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Old 05-25-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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Just wondering why WUDGE thinks that promised medical care for our war injured veterans has anything to do with socialized medical.

Socialized medical would be that all are treated equal. This is just the way our congress (and those that vote for them) think they should pay back those that believed that fighting for their nation was a good thing to do. And I do put it on congress~~th president does not have the authorization to spend the money without congress giving it.
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Old 05-25-2014, 02:30 PM
 
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Of course socialism doesn't work, and this is but a tiny bit of proof. If you think dead veterans is bad, wait 'til 0bamacare kicks fully in. Mrs. Palin was 100% correct about death panels. This is what she was talking about.
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Old 05-25-2014, 02:54 PM
 
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"The long waits for treatment, with excessive delays resulting in as many as 40 deaths, are a tragically predictable outcome. This is the result of bureaucratic rationing, price controls, inefficiencies and the inevitable cover-ups."
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"John Fund, citing Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute, notes that 344,000 veterans' care claims are now backed up and waiting to be processed, that it takes an average of 160 days for health-benefit approval, and that according to VA figures for 2012, veteran appeals face an average wait time of 1,598 days, or more than four years."
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"The Paul Krugmans of the world and their leftist allies call VA health care a triumph of socialist medicine. But once again we find out that this triumph is a defeat and that socialism doesn't work.

More information is contained in the article.

Blame Socialism, Not Shinseki | RealClearPolitics



The VA failed our veterans and Socialism failed the VA. Simply put, Socialism is a kissing cousin to Communism and does not work either.
How the military is much revered by the conservatives, yet it is a completely socialized program.
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The regrettable fact is that many military veterans, particularly those from the Vietnam era and before, are not a very empathetic lot, They smoke and drink heavily, don't "eat right" (according to the dictates of the nanny-state) and are sometimes alienated from families and/or society.

Health care is a series of hard choices, particularly with an aging and sometimes not-too-bright clientele, and those choices are being constantly, and imperfectly addressed every day. We might not have "death panels" --- but make no mistake about it; the people who brought the radical fringe closer to the center of American politics and elected a far more socialistic and collectivistic group to assume its leadership have plans which are seldom in the interest of much of the VA's core clientele,

That prejudice is far more common among the "real one per cent" -- the plutocracy based on cronyism rather than mere wealth; and we will see much more of it as the general health care system breaks down.
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