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the majority of the problem is from the third world and they will NOT stop having too many kids, paving over the Earth, destroying forests, damming rivers, etc. So you're going to see this problem (if it IS man-caused) just gettting worse, not better.
Humans do NOT cause "global warming" or "climate change"....remember y2k? Same hysteria. The Earth will do what the Earth will do....the sun will grow hotter, and cooler... our landmasses change and move....it has NOTHING to do with humans, or cows or any living thing.
Humans do NOT cause "global warming" or "climate change"....remember y2k? Same hysteria. The Earth will do what the Earth will do....the sun will grow hotter, and cooler... our landmasses change and move....it has NOTHING to do with humans, or cows or any living thing.
It's very obviously man-caused. It doesn't happen this quickly otherwise without some kind of meteor strike, volcanic activity, etc...
I'm of the opinion that we're past the point of no return. That western Antarctica ice sheet is going to melt. The sea level will rise, we did it to ourselves and now have to sleep in the bed we made.
I would stop spending money on it, let people themselves force their politicians to do something when they get tired of living in filth and breathing in fumes. You don't want environmental regulation? Fine, let's see how you like living next to a coal plant. You don't want to cut down on solid waste? Let's see how you like living next to a dump.
I would start saving that money to prepare for the mass migrations and economic dislocations it'll cause. Sea level rise is only one part and probably one of the easier parts to deal with. So what if in 120 years Manhattan becomes a kind of Venice? We've got a lot of time to prepare for that.
What will be worse is that the warming of the oceans will cause quite drastic changes to whole regions. We're already seeing it in places like the Central Valley of California which is cased by the warmer Pacific Ocean. That "drought" is going on 20 years now -- that is a changed climate. Places that were fertile will cease to be so. Places that were not will become more conducive to agriculture. Water resources and their access will change.
I'm not so much worried about what will happen to the Earth as I am how humans will react to it.
It's very obviously man-caused. It doesn't happen this quickly otherwise without some kind of meteor strike, volcanic activity, etc...
I'm of the opinion that we're past the point of no return. That western Antarctica ice sheet is going to melt. The sea level will rise, we did it to ourselves and now have to sleep in the bed we made.
I would stop spending money on it, let people themselves force their politicians to do something when they get tired of living in filth and breathing in fumes. You don't want environmental regulation? Fine, let's see how you like living next to a coal plant. You don't want to cut down on solid waste? Let's see how you like living next to a dump.
I would start saving that money to prepare for the mass migrations and economic dislocations it'll cause. Sea level rise is only one part and probably one of the easier parts to deal with. So what if in 120 years Manhattan becomes a kind of Venice? We've got a lot of time to prepare for that.
What will be worse is that the warming of the oceans will cause quite drastic changes to whole regions. We're already seeing it in places like the Central Valley of California which is cased by the warmer Pacific Ocean. That "drought" is going on 20 years now -- that is a changed climate. Places that were fertile will cease to be so. Places that were not will become more conducive to agriculture. Water resources and their access will change.
I'm not so much worried about what will happen to the Earth as I am how humans will react to it.
I strongly concur. Sometimes I think we are just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. And to make matters worse, I also somewhat agree with the OP; we (in my case the US) can only help stem the tide, but without buy in around the world, we can't turn it around. And even if we turn it around, there seem to be some vicious cycles (self perpetuating problems, like sea rise causing ice to melt faster which causes sea rise, which...) that might be too late to do anything about.
Humans do NOT cause "global warming" or "climate change"....remember y2k? Same hysteria. The Earth will do what the Earth will do....the sun will grow hotter, and cooler... our landmasses change and move....it has NOTHING to do with humans, or cows or any living thing.
Wow.
Here's the difference between y2k and global warming. Y2k didn't have scientists saying 'yeah it's gonna be the end of the world.' None. But most scientists agree that climate change is a very real thing. Usually, hysteria doesn't have near universal scientific consensus for decades at a time.
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Originally Posted by zonest
the majority of the problem is from the third world and they will NOT stop having too many kids, paving over the Earth, destroying forests, damming rivers, etc. So you're going to see this problem (if it IS man-caused) just gettting worse, not better.
You probably have a point, but I still feel we in the West can and should do whatever possible to reduce the impact on the environment that we have. It will be far easier for us because we are technologically advanced. Third world countries, many still need to complete their industrial revolution, as well as various political revolutions.
Humans do NOT cause "global warming" or "climate change"....remember y2k? Same hysteria. The Earth will do what the Earth will do....the sun will grow hotter, and cooler... our landmasses change and move....it has NOTHING to do with humans, or cows or any living thing.
Y2K was circumvented because programmers (like my mother) were fixing code for the years up to, and even after 2000. To suggest that the problem solved itself is wrong. There were a number of glitches including medical device equipment, police records, utilities, etc.
As for climate change, I'm convinced we can do something about. The question is can we do significant things that can fix the future? Imagine if we were still living during the industrial revolution with the population we currently have; we'd be multiples worse than China. Innovation, technology, education, and regulation helped.
As for controlling the earth's cycle of floods, ice ages, and temperate periods, I'm not sure if we will get our act together fast enough to adapt.
LOL. yeah people living in yurts are a bigger cause of global warming then the tons of electricity I use, and my 2 vehicles. And all the meat I eat, and electronics and other mass produced items I have. yup!
Sigh. Theres so many things wrong with the OP, I figured I'd touch on the one no one else had mentioned yet.
It's very obviously man-caused. It doesn't happen this quickly otherwise without some kind of meteor strike, volcanic activity, etc...
I'm of the opinion that we're past the point of no return. That western Antarctica ice sheet is going to melt. The sea level will rise, we did it to ourselves and now have to sleep in the bed we made.
I would stop spending money on it, let people themselves force their politicians to do something when they get tired of living in filth and breathing in fumes. You don't want environmental regulation? Fine, let's see how you like living next to a coal plant. You don't want to cut down on solid waste? Let's see how you like living next to a dump.
I would start saving that money to prepare for the mass migrations and economic dislocations it'll cause. Sea level rise is only one part and probably one of the easier parts to deal with. So what if in 120 years Manhattan becomes a kind of Venice? We've got a lot of time to prepare for that.
What will be worse is that the warming of the oceans will cause quite drastic changes to whole regions. We're already seeing it in places like the Central Valley of California which is cased by the warmer Pacific Ocean. That "drought" is going on 20 years now -- that is a changed climate. Places that were fertile will cease to be so. Places that were not will become more conducive to agriculture. Water resources and their access will change.
I'm not so much worried about what will happen to the Earth as I am how humans will react to it.
We're all gonna drown! Run for the hills!
You do know that ice melt in the western Antarctic is caused by subsurface volcanic activity, right?
the majority of the problem is from the third world...
I think the majority of the problem is the 1st world... see below.
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Originally Posted by cb at sea
Humans do NOT cause "global warming" or "climate change"....remember y2k? Same hysteria. The Earth will do what the Earth will do....the sun will grow hotter, and cooler... our landmasses change and move....it has NOTHING to do with humans, or cows or any living thing.
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