Should all illegal immigrants be rounded up and sent back to their country's (poll, Clinton)
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Donald trump says he will round them up and send them home mass deportations. Would you support a round up sending in police to break down doors and drag family's out of their homes put them on buses and ship them back.
I know and deeply respect many immigrants, some of whom came here illegally.
If I was in the same situation, having to chose between living a life of misery or being in danger vs breaking the law of a country I had no allegiance to at the moment, I'd likely do the same.
So I can't hold it personally against the people who came here illegally.
That said, there's no country in the world that can survive without protecting it's borders.
We can't keep being the dumping ground for the rejects of Mexican and South American societies.
We need a smart immigration policy. We have had dumb immigration policies since at least 1970s.
All four of my grandparents were born in Europe and came here before WW2 with their parents.
Their parents had some degree of education (some had college degrees), skills, and culture / mentality that was compatible with US way of living. They worked hard, blended in, and contributed to society rather than take from it.
This is the kind of immigration policy that Canada has. You get points for age, education, skill, and are only allowed in if you get more points than the other person.
We let in everyone who can't make it back home, provide them with free schools, help them harass American students for wearing American flag t-shirts on Cinco de Mayo, all so that the peanut farms and meet processing plants could save on labor costs.
I don't think The Trump will fix this problem. Just like H1B visa, it's being abused by the people and corporations that are bigger and stronger than him.
How much would that cost, and where would that money come from? Seriously. I want someone to answer this.
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Originally Posted by davidv
I am okay with this, but once again, how is this implemented and how much will it cost? Will we spend $10 to save $9? More people will need to be hired to verify aid and citizenship. Those are federal employees with benefits.
Perhaps the better questions is how much does it cost us now to have illegals in our country in regards to them flooding our emergency rooms, their kids flooding our schools throughout the US.
From a non-partisan group which shows some sobering numbers:
Bottom line....illegals are costing states/the federal government big time already.
Not to mention we have no idea who is in this country. That's a dangerous policy to have in this day in age. To believe otherwise is naive. If you want to be naive and believe the politicians/businesses who have their own agendas/excuses on why letting illegals in our country can't be stopped and think like the non-thinking herd, more power to you. You have lots of company.
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And then, instead of an illegal immigrant paying a couple of thousand dollars to have someone sneak him in from Mexico, the person flies to Canada and sneaks over that border.
So don't bother enforcing laws because someone is likely to break it in another way? Seriously? This is not brain surgery. Many other countries have large borders that are enforced because they have serious penalties if someone sneaks over and that alone is a major deterrent. You might want to read up on other countries laws/enforcement techniques to understand how it's done successfully.
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Originally Posted by davidv
Besides, only 52% of illegal immigrants are Mexican. How do you keep out the other 48%. Also, about half of all illegal immigrants come here legally and overstay their visas. How do you stop that?
This is not about Mexican's/Mexico. It's about enforcing our immigration laws, preventing anyone from sneaking into our country illegally.
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Originally Posted by davidv
And drive small businesses out of business. Add costs for E-Verify, and slap them with a fine if someone gets past the system, but caught later.
So your ultimate argument is to leave our border porous, let anyone sneak into our country/we have no idea who they are(hint....they're not all hard working/law abiding people) so businesses won't go out of business because they won't have cheap illegal labor if we start seriously enforcing our immigration laws and protect our border? Please. That sounds like a politician answer who favors illegal aliens to gain power/votes down the line. Business has to follow the law like everyone else in my book. Otherwise, if one group decides certain laws aren't worthwhile to follow for their own gain, society can turn ugly fast. It's called anarchy, picking and choosing/ignoring any rules/laws of a society. We seem to have a lot of that going on these days and there's a tipping point where law abiding citizens will say "screw it, if they don't follow the law, why should I?"
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Originally Posted by davidv
Once again, we will need a legal definition of a sanctuary city, and when they start to comply, they will incur the costs of indefinite detentions until ICE comes to pick them up.
How about when elected city officials come out and say they are not going to enforce certain federal law?.....that enough for you for a "legal definition" of one?
It is not their job to punish people who break our laws. We would never do it for them.
Your statement is completely illogical.
It's the job of the US government to enforce the border/protect the citizens of the US. When our border is porous in so many spots/people are sneaking over left and right, and we have no idea who's coming over, they are not doing their job they swore to uphold when taking office.
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Originally Posted by davidv
Instant deportation. Unfortunately that damn Constitution with ts due process clause prevents this sort of thing. Besides, how could YOU prove you are a citizen if a cop rolled up on you and asked you for your papers? Are you advocating that all people should have to keep their proof of citizenship with them at all times? Sound like a fascist state to me.
Yes. It's called a drivers license. Or if one doesn't have a drivers license they can get a form of gov id. Given the vast majority of Americans have a drivers license, and I'm guessing you have one too/drive and carry a license with you, would you consider yourself a participating member in the "fascist state" you mention? How about the search/pat down one gets when boarding a plan? That has to be fascist on steroids for you. How about all the cameras watching you just about any where you go today? And showing an ID in many places today when you use a credit card at a business? There are other countless examples but you get the point.
As far as the money excuses that you seem to be hung up on why our immigration laws shouldn't be followed, may I suggest you look at the human side. Perhaps if you talk to the families who had a loved one killed from someone who shouldn't have been in this country in the 1st place, more than a few deported several times, and many who are are felons and convicted criminals, you might have a different view. It's nice sometime to be a compassionate human and consider the lives of legal abiding citizens once in a while and not the almighty dollar or people who break the law as hard as that is to understand for some defending illegal behavior.
If you care to have a bit of compassion, here are a few examples for you:
In Kansas, we have over 55,000 illegal workers. People that have entered the US without authorization are criminals. They are not allowed to work legally in the US. If all employers are required to e-verify with heavy fines/jail time, that will start to stop the flow and send others back to where they came from.
So, those continuing to spread this propaganda about "literally" rounding them up generally have one of three issues: 1. They are illegal themselves 2. They exploit the illegals 3. They are sympathizers that don't realize the growing spiral into 3rd world status being caused by this infestation.
I would encourage everyone to become informed by actually reading statistics and actually reading what the candidates are saying not the "one liners" that are put at the top liberal website stories. We have a lot of citizens without jobs, without housing (one anchor baby gets a big illegal family into Section 8 housing) and citizens going without medical care and these benefits are being provided to the illegals. (Yes, they use the emergency room 3 times more often than a citizen but for them it is free). Benefits and education are suffering in order that we accommodate these criminal citizens. Good grief!
The US established immigration laws in order that we would not see this huge drain on our resources, the crime, the viruses and diseases that are now being brought in and we have every right and obligation to enforce them
If you can provide a link to any candidate saying that we go into homes and drag families out, you go ahead and provide that because, otherwise, you just read a headline at a liberal website and are grossly misinformed.
Donald trump says he will round them up and send them home mass deportations. Would you support a round up sending in police to break down doors and drag family's out of their homes put them on buses and ship them back.
Yes, because they broke the law, and there are consequences for breaking the law.
You can't have thousands of criminals in our country who have not been served justice for having broken our laws, it contributes to the break down of society. If people are not punished for their crimes and if we don't always apply the rule of law, then laws come to mean nothing, and society begins to break down in to chaos.
Look at Latin America, in most of the countries the laws are a grey area that you can get around using bribes or pulling favors. People get away with murder, extortion, racketeering, etc. all the time and their countries are corrupted up to the highest levels. Justice is never served, and laws are merely looked at as suggestions. Rich people answer to no one and can get away with anything.
Black labor paid with starvation wages, that's how.
However, I would like to point out here that illegal immigrants means all illegal immigrants, not just Hispanics. That includes the Russians from the Russian mafia, people from Asia that end up as indentured servants here to pay off their passage, women brought in illegally to feed the sex trade, and who here remembers when members of the IRA used to take refuge in the US and then arrange for shipments of weapons and money back to Northern Ireland? If you're here illegally, it's a short step to breaking other laws in this country that the rest of us citizens, including the ones who waited their turn and got legal citizenship, have to pay.
KEY WORD in the question posed is should ILLEGAL immigrants? YES, anyone here ILLEGALLY should be treated exactly as they would be if they were to be in their home country ILLEGALLY? They would kick them out immediately, no???
Go to Mexico or Canada or ANY other country without the proper paperwork/approval and they do not allow you to stay, so why should WE???
KEY WORD in the question posed is should ILLEGAL immigrants? YES, anyone here ILLEGALLY should be treated exactly as they would be if they were to be in their home country ILLEGALLY? They would kick them out immediately, no???
Go to Mexico or Canada or ANY other country without the proper paperwork/approval and they do not allow you to stay, so why should WE???
But seriously. Short answer - no. Punitive fines for employers and lengthy prison terms for coyotes.
Will never happen, Democrats want the future vote base, Republicans want to depress working class wages.
President Trump never has specifics, does he? He has endless variations of the same answer. "I know how to take care of business. You are a loser and ugly too."
Hillary vs a Republican joker. God what a choice.
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Seriously? This is not brain surgery. Many other countries have large borders that are enforced because they have serious penalties if someone sneaks over and that alone is a major deterrent. You might want to read up on other countries laws/enforcement techniques to understand how it's done successfully.
