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Old 06-11-2016, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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It looks like the taliban is back, did they ever go away? and they have been taking notes from isis.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...32c_story.html

The article is about how a young man was accused of aiding in killing a commander and how he was executed. There seems to be a new breed of young men who are rising up to top spots in the Taliban and their brutality is barbaric.

The article goes on to say that since 2001 America has spent 100 Billion dollars in an attempt to build up Afghanistan and to make it more stable but now it might actually be worse than before. Wow $100 Billion not to mention the lives lost in that time. Think about how that money could have been put to better use here in the states.

What can be done about this region of the world that seems to insist on being [ignorant]?

How much more money and lives will it cost to set them on a path to what.. Democracy? The American Way? I don't think they are interested.

$100 Billion dollars.

Do you think the situation in the Middle East can be improved or should we just pull out of there all together? Would Hillary be a better choice to do something or would Trump?

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Old 06-11-2016, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default The Taliban is back in force what can be done?

Not a thing.

Eventually, we'll leave because we're not Afghans and Afghanistan sucks so badly that no one but Afghans will put up with being there. And the only ones of them left are the ones who can't afford to leave.

But the Taliban will still be there long after we're gone. After all, it is their country. We're just tourists with guns and jets and tanks. Like the Russkies were 30 years ago. They left, too. Because there's nothing there but dust, camel crap, and surly natives.
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Old 06-11-2016, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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It looks like the taliban is back, did they ever go away? and they have been taking notes from isis.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...32c_story.html

The article is about how a young man was accused of aiding in killing a commander and how he was executed. There seems to be a new breed of young men who are rising up to top spots in the Taliban and their brutality is barbaric.

The article goes on to say that since 2001 America has spent 100 Billion dollars in an attempt to build up Afghanistan and to make it more stable but now it might actually be worse than before. Wow $100 Billion not to mention the lives lost in that time. Think about how that money could have been put to better use here in the states.

What can be done about this region of the world that seems to insist on being [ignorant]?

How much more money and lives will it cost to set them on a path to what.. Democracy? The American Way? I don't think they are interested.

$100 Billion dollars.

Do you think the situation in the Middle East can be improved or should we just pull out of there all together? Would Hillary be a better choice to do something or would Trump?
Sherman et al, got it right: The only effective policy is Scorched Earth, in conjunction with "You are either with us, or against us."

The US ran into the same problem the Soviets did when they were in Afghanistan.

Either invade Pakistan, or go home. The Soviets chose to go home.

The US will not go home, since Afghanistan is key to future US military operations in and against Iran, Central Asia and Russia.

In order to prevent a Future USA with a 2nd World Standard of Living, you have no choice but to take out Assad in Syria -- the final key piece of territory denying the Russians any potential allies in the Mediterranean Region.

Once Assad is gone, the US will move on Iran, since it has no choice -- Iran is key to controlling Central Asia and pushing its hegemony on Central Asia.

The US needs to regain control of at least 3 of 5 Central Asian States: Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and control of both Iran and Afghanistan are central to that task.

Once the US regains control of Central Asia, the US will dump arms into rebel groups in the eastern Russian republics, foment revolution exactly as the US did in Yugoslavia, Libya, Tunisia, Syria et al, and then move to gain control of those territories.

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Old 06-12-2016, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Sherman et al, got it right: The only effective policy is Scorched Earth, in conjunction with "You are either with us, or against us."

The US ran into the same problem the Soviets did when they were in Afghanistan.

Either invade Pakistan, or go home. The Soviets chose to go home.

The US will not go home, since Afghanistan is key to future US military operations in and against Iran, Central Asia and Russia.

In order to prevent a Future USA with a 2nd World Standard of Living, you have no choice but to take out Assad in Syria -- the final key piece of territory denying the Russians any potential allies in the Mediterranean Region.

Once Assad is gone, the US will move on Iran, since it has no choice -- Iran is key to controlling Central Asia and pushing its hegemony on Central Asia.

The US needs to regain control of at least 3 of 5 Central Asian States: Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and control of both Iran and Afghanistan are central to that task.

Once the US regains control of Central Asia, the US will dump arms into rebel groups in the eastern Russian republics, foment revolution exactly as the US did in Yugoslavia, Libya, Tunisia, Syria et al, and then move to gain control of those territories.


That all sounds like the US will never leave and the senseless deaths will continue. Pretty grim.
Russia was smart and pulled out before it got too ugly and costly for them.

Besides the oil is there anything of value at all coming out of the ME? Are you saying that Assad is buddies with Putin and could possibly deny the US oil thus putting us into a 2nd world standard of living?
I think there are other forces at work that are getting us closer to that now.
With your ideas Mercea it sounds like the Cold War is gearing up again.


We know with Hillary it will be more of the same attitude towards the ME. With Trump who knows.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, IS and numerous other names, they are all the same thing Muslim Fuindamentalists and no they haven't sadly gone away.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, IS and numerous other names, they are all the same thing Muslim Fuindamentalists and no they haven't sadly gone away.
I agree. What can be done? We can all submit and pretend to believe what they believe and follow their social norms or accept that with the current state of global communications and transportation that we are in an never ending global war. Now what is the proper strategy? Do we turn our countries into police states or add partially to local police while keeping military and economic pressure on their strongholds.
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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This is an article from last year detailing what areas of Afghanistan are under Taliban control.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...maps.html?_r=0

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Taliban control has fluctuated over the past 14 years. The Taliban government collapsed after the American invasion, but the group regained control of multiple districts between 2005 and 2009, Mr. Roggio said. They withdrew from these areas after the temporary surge of American troops at the beginning of President Obama’s administration, but they have been reclaiming territory since 2013.
Good luck beating the Taliban. Reports are that between 20 and 40 percent of the fighters are Pakistani army regulars.

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Old 06-12-2016, 11:22 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Step 1: understand the problem, not just the crap our media feeds to us. The Taliban are back in power because the very traditional / conservative people of Afghanistan prefer Sharia law to American style govt. They view us as Sodom and Gomorrah and the leaders we support as puppets.

This is a great video that shows what's really going on


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5Q75hf6QI
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Old 06-12-2016, 01:33 PM
 
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Countries that do not learn from history are destined to repeat the same mistakes again and again.
Ever since times unknown, historical fact is - no one ever won a war with that part of the world. So some, like Alexander The Great learned the lesson and balked out.
Some yet chose to spend billions and, much worse, lives, to pursue that route. Just to fail again and again and again.
Y'all know very well that Taliban is American creation. America wanted counterbalance to the USSR troops there - they got Mujaheddin that turned into Taliban.
So get over it and reep what you seeded.
I mean - I get it. There's too much worth there. Narcotics, lithium, strategic location.
But how many more lives lost will it take to finally get a simple axiom - since times unknown, no one ever won a war there?
Simply get out and let them be their way. Even if you A-bomb that country, survivors will hide in caves and crevasses and then they will come out and kill you. Their women and their children will kill you.
As since times unknown...
Geez...
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Old 06-12-2016, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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What can be done.? At the risk of bravado I honestly believe sniper attacks on a massive scale will dilute any of the existing enemy. The intelligence could be brought in from Germany and Israel and perhaps the US and the idea is to selectively assign targeted camp "heads" and this same approach must be used against Boco Huram ......penetrate camps. Make a shooting gallery out of these jackwagons! It worked for us in Nam. Trust me the mercenaries will head back home to selling Wangle jeansr and send a little fear back which is one of many philosophies by the enemy to make us shake in our boots!!
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