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Old 09-09-2017, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Should consideration be given to removing these monuments in the same manner as Confederate monuments? It's no secret that the Spanish were brutal (and in many cases, genocidal) towards the Native population. Yet this debate doesn't seem to make the national stage:

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Old 09-09-2017, 09:48 PM
 
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Well America seems to care even less about Native Americans than it does about black people so that's not really a surprise to me.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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This must be some kind of backwards retaliation against the focus on Confederate monuments. You know, sort of the "you hit us, so we hit you" type of childish mentality. But then again, it would fit in nicely with the continued aggression and hatred being whipped up against the Hispanic population, dovetailing nicely with keeping people out of the country, and the dumb wall idea. It's just another sad chapter in this country's rich history of national identity issues, racism, slavery, etc. Despite the idea of the country being "united" and "freedom for all", groups within feel perpetually compelled to push and pull against people who are different from them. It's that ol' anti-American mentality that always has and always will work against us.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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It's almost as if the communities that put up the monuments and pay for their maintenance should be able to decide through the democratic process what to display....

And it might be cool if those of us who don't live in that area respected those decisions. Mayors should be able to remove a ****ty statue without worrying about outside Nazis and Antifa groups showing up and fighting in their streets.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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In this particular case it's more of a Native American issue since they bore the brunt of Spanish brutality.
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Old 09-10-2017, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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It's more a false front from the small minds of the alt-right.
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Old 09-10-2017, 02:40 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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In this particular case it's more of a Native American issue since they bore the brunt of Spanish brutality.
Somehow, I missed this in the local news. I live in Santa Fe. It can be a bit weird, living here, due to this type of celebration. But NM tends to look at its diversity as its strength, and all these festivals, including a public Native American ceremonial schedule, and other major events organized by the Native American community and supporters, co-exist, and are very big tourism draws, spreading economic benefits all around. But yes, of all the events in the Hispanic community, this one is the most challenging to stomach. A lot of people avoid it altogether. We'll see how this issue plays out.

If any monuments are to be removed on behalf of Native Americans, the Mother of All Monuments--Mount Rushmore, in the sacred Black Hills, would be the prime candidate.

Besides, if you're going to go so far as to remove monuments, that's really only the beginning of the decolonization process. What about all the place names? The street names, the city names, all the constant daily reminders of who won and whose side is on top? Removing monuments is a drop in the bucket. And how meaningful would all that be, anyway, without jobs, college scholarships, and economic development for Native communities? Who cares about monuments, when you need decent housing, higher education, and opportunities for advancement? It would be great if these protests ultimately brought about that level of positive change.

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Old 09-10-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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From a NA point of view I would say they deserve to go as much as the black wanted Confederate statues removed. Interesting that it pits NA against one of the liberal protected classes.
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I recall one person who took offense because the Tomahawk missile was an affront (she thought) to Native Americans. Believe this was a news item a couple months ago.
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Old 09-10-2017, 04:31 PM
 
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From a NA point of view I would say they deserve to go as much as the black wanted Confederate statues removed. Interesting that it pits NA against one of the liberal protected classes.
I doubt Mexican immigrants give a **** about monuments to conquistadores as most are mestizo.
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