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Old 10-02-2017, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Maybe this will **** down BLM for a bit. The truth has got to hurt. But we know this will make no difference.


Harvard Study on Police Shootings and Race Offers Shocking Conclusion | Tribunist
I'm so glad you posted this.

I am sure that, since you love data-based studies, that you believe in climate-change, global warming, evolution, and every other "scientific study" ever published.
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Old 10-02-2017, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I imagine most good cops detest bad cops.
The question is: do they force them out of their ranks? I see little of evidence of that.
Like teachers, priests, doctors, and lawyers have done?
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Old 10-02-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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What bothers me about this whole conversation about Police Brutality/BLM is that really the only way that this issue is ever going to be resolved is by Black leaders directly engaging police departments.
There are 18,000 police departments/agencies in the country. It's a daunting task.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Like teachers, priests, doctors, and lawyers have done?
If I say something about one group -- in this case the police -- it does not mean that I don't feel the same way about other groups. Professions -- if they are professions -- need to be involved in self-policing (pun intended). This topic, however, is about police. I was sticking to the topic. You were not.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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If I say something about one group -- in this case the police -- it does not mean that I don't feel the same way about other groups. Professions -- if they are professions -- need to be involved in self-policing (pun intended). This topic, however, is about police. I was sticking to the topic. You were not.
The irony...
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I'm so glad you posted this.

I am sure that, since you love data-based studies, that you believe in climate-change, global warming, evolution, and every other "scientific study" ever published.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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The police state we currently live under is not going away anytime soon, they will not be deterred, even if BLM leaders sit down with them.
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Old 10-02-2017, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The irony...
There's no irony.

One post is about whether or not to believe in scientific studies.

The other post is about professions policing their members.
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Old 10-02-2017, 11:43 AM
 
Location: on the wind
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Consider that if "both sides" actually did sit down and talk to work out their troubles there would be no news story, no sense of entitlement, insults, no demonstrations-turned-violent, no fodder for outside agitators, no lingering indignation. News channels would have very little to fill 24/7 air time. A world where people behave in a rational adult manner would be a dull one (dripping sarcasm intended).
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Old 10-02-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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What bothers me about this whole conversation about Police Brutality/BLM is that really the only way that this issue is ever going to be resolved is by Black leaders directly engaging police departments. No amount of kneeling at NFL games, protesting or media play is going to save any one life more than getting down to the issue at hand in regards to police policy. Which leads me to my main point:

Many fatal shootings involving police officers could be entirely avoided if we really re-evaluated the ways we train officers/direct departments to engage civilians. Take traffic stops for example: Do we really need here in 2017 to have officers doing this? This is a waste of resources. First off, traffic stops are extremely dangerous for officers, leading to a highly charged situation to begin with. Second, with the speed camera/red-light camera technology out there we shouldn't have officers pulling over people for those things. Third, if it's things like broken taillights or improper driving that is at issue, then use the dashboard camera to photograph/flim the offending vehicle (and their license plate of course) and send the ticket to the offending address.

Another is dealing with youths. Rather than having officers be the first to respond to rowdy youth, instead we need to work with community leadership to have respected adults in the neighborhood work to de-escalate situations and try to help young people build problem solving skills rather than act out.

I have other ideas, but my main point is we need to stop automatically villifiying both police officers as well as BLM because really both groups need to work together to solve issues.
I think you bring up some excellent points. How are you promoting this in your neighborhood?
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Old 10-02-2017, 02:58 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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If you take a group of mostly younger white males that have had limited interaction with blacks before joining the police force, put them in a rough neighborhood with mostly black citizens that are already reluctant to trust them and give the cops weapons and plenty of leeway should they act in a questionable manner............you'll have a fairly combustible situation.

I'd say the best way to decrease tension is for the newer cops to get out in the neighborhood and get to know the people. You're going to have bad apples, but if you get the people on your side, they're more inclined to help you out and point you towards the trouble. It's not about blaming one side or the other. It's about understanding limitations. Most white people, especially if they're younger, can go long stretches of their life in virtually all-white enclaves. How can you relate to blacks if the only ones you know are sitting in the back of your squad car? We all have biases, regardless of race. A cop that has internalized biases from knowing so few blacks is going to have problems when the only blacks he deals with are criminals.
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