Is everything a FRAUD now? This needs to stop! (interview, how much, cost)
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You call a Plumber, the nice person who answers the phone says they are Licensed and Insured.
What you get is some guy that works part-time for this company with no License (he works under someone else's License)
You are told by the dealership they have ASE Certified mechanics!
What you get is some guy who was hired just the other day and causes more problems than was originally reported
You go to the "DOCTORS OFFICE" to see the "DOCTOR". You are greeted by a nurse who is not an RN and who pretends to be a doctor is your Physician's Assistant, NOT A DOCTOR.
Where is my discount? NONE, why did you mislead me to thinking I am getting someone I am not.
THIS NEEDS TO STOP.
Anyone else fed up with this line of fraud going on?
You call a Plumber, the nice person who answers the phone says they are Licensed and Insured.
What you get is some guy that works part-time for this company with no License (he works under someone else's License)
You are told by the dealership they have ASE Certified mechanics!
What you get is some guy who was hired just the other day and causes more problems than was originally reported
You go to the "DOCTORS OFFICE" to see the "DOCTOR". You are greeted by a nurse who is not an RN and who pretends to be a doctor is your Physician's Assistant, NOT A DOCTOR.
Where is my discount? NONE, why did you mislead me to thinking I am getting someone I am not.
THIS NEEDS TO STOP.
Anyone else fed up with this line of fraud going on?
Welcome to America, the most capitalist country in the world. Yes, I believe there are MANY misleading stuff going on in our lives..Fluoridation is my biggest fraud issue. I often wonder how much of our health issues are from consuming decades of this waste by product from industries in our public waters and foods.
We're stuck and we can fight our causes but lose so so much of the time. Other countries might be a better place to live, but I'm here to stay and do my share. I'm trying to do my share by spreading the fluoridation issue and have a long thread in the Daily Journal in the health area. Some agree with me and some attack my info.
You call a Plumber, the nice person who answers the phone says they are Licensed and Insured.
What you get is some guy that works part-time for this company with no License (he works under someone else's License)
You are told by the dealership they have ASE Certified mechanics!
What you get is some guy who was hired just the other day and causes more problems than was originally reported
You go to the "DOCTORS OFFICE" to see the "DOCTOR". You are greeted by a nurse who is not an RN and who pretends to be a doctor is your Physician's Assistant, NOT A DOCTOR.
Where is my discount? NONE, why did you mislead me to thinking I am getting someone I am not.
THIS NEEDS TO STOP.
Anyone else fed up with this line of fraud going on?
I'm not "fed up" with it, no. Not yet at least, as I think it's still relatively rare. It's certainly not as prolific as you're suggesting. I've never encountered anyone who pretended to be a doctor who wasn't. I've met a few who were actually doctors but shouldn't be. In that regard, I'm more concerned with those who are unqualified yet being granted medical licenses in the name of affirmative action and "diversity" than I am with those who fraudulently represent themselves as such. I would recommend everyone interview a doctor before they schedule a paid visit.
However common, it does need to stop, I agree, but it's up to YOU to make it stop. As a consumer, you have every right to demand to see the credentials of a doctor, a plumber who comes to your home, a mechanic who is repairing your vehicle, or anyone else who purports to be a licensed professional. If they resist or refuse, take your business elsewhere. It's that simple, isn't it?
Is this a thread for mind-control, the masons and illuminati and trilateral commission?
What is the "Great Debate" about? I call a plumber and a plumber comes. It ain't rocket science and if one guy is licensed and the others learning...well, that is how things work. There is no school that turns out plumbers ready to go to work in the field.
When you go to see a Doctor, you may first see a PA or even lesser. They take your BP and ask you some questions. Then the doc walks in.
Believe me - I have 50+ years of experience with all of this and lots of family members and friends in the trades and even in medicine.
I'm not "fed up" with it, no. Not yet at least, as I think it's still relatively rare. It's certainly not as prolific as you're suggesting. I've never encountered anyone who pretended to be a doctor who wasn't. I've met a few who were actually doctors but shouldn't be. In that regard, I'm more concerned with those who are unqualified yet being granted medical licenses in the name of affirmative action and "diversity" than I am with those who fraudulently represent themselves as such. I would recommend everyone interview a doctor before they schedule a paid visit.
However common, it does need to stop, I agree, but it's up to YOU to make it stop. As a consumer, you have every right to demand to see the credentials of a doctor, a plumber who comes to your home, a mechanic who is repairing your vehicle, or anyone else who purports to be a licensed professional. If they resist or refuse, take your business elsewhere. It's that simple, isn't it?
I don't have issues with plumbers, paramedics, police and one can interview a surgeon and talk to people who had surgery done by a particular one and one can still come out with damage. That's my story on a surgeon who came highly recommended.
Then I had a hospital/rehab stay for 4.5 months recently and had the doctors done the MRI pronto, I could have been saved months of worry and money and NOT walking, the staph infection was found in MRI.
These are not frauds so much but mess up's by those specialists. I see an integrative MD annually for general health and she sees me, no PA..
I'm Not fed up but I've lost a lot of trust in our country leaders etc.
And as I said the mass medication of fluoridation is a fraud going on for decades.
Who knows maybe it's all planned out. The bottle water industry is booming.
You go to the "DOCTORS OFFICE" to see the "DOCTOR". You are greeted by a nurse who is not an RN and who pretends to be a doctor is your Physician's Assistant , NOT A DOCTOR.
They are no fraud, and those are cost cutting practices. All those walk-in-clinics you start to see on every corner supposed to be cheaper and better accessible for a patient, who has just a minor condition.
The vast majority of medicine is routine, and a certified PA can perfectly handle your coughs, colds, rashes, sore throats, cuts, sprains, and urinary tract infections. They also ensure that patients are checked for blood pressure, blood cholesterol, and blood sugar, and that their vaccinations are up to date.
It's usually faster to get an appointment with PA than with a doctor.
However, everyone that has a potentially life-threatening illness, or complicated cases needs to be seen and managed by a physician (cancer care, unstable diabetics, unstable cardiac and pulmonary patients etc. )
You know how full are Emergency Rooms, how long and stressful is the usual waiting time, but most people waiting there have ailments that could be perfectly treated by a Nurse Practitioner or Physician Assistant.
Only a small percentage of patients who arrive in clinics and emergency rooms have conditions that aren't easily identifiable, or simple to threat.
PA's undergo a massive medical training and are capable to provide many of the same services as doctors. An NP (Nurse Practitioner) with many years of experience may be more knowledgeable than an MD who just finished their residency.
They usually give you more time, and will actually listen what you have to say.
In some states they work under the supervision of a doctor, but in most cases they are licensed to practice solo, and their competencies are reviewed every couple of years as the PA gets re-credentialed.
And while it's a patient's right to see an MD, with any practitioner, you should consider a second opinion whenever you feel one is necessary.
So, next time you're at the doctor's office, it might just save you time, money and energy to see the PA or NP rather than wait weeks to see the doctor.
FYI: To become a RN, you have three education options: diploma, associate’s degree or a bachelor’s of science in nursing (BSN) degree. A diploma is an entry-level nursing qualification; an associate’s degree is generally a two-year program; and a BSN will likely take four years to complete.
When compared to RN's, the education process for PA's is more rigorous because PA's perform many of the same duties as doctors. Most entry-level positions require a specific master's degree.
All PA's must be licensed to practice medicine, which happens after they pass the Physician Assistant National Certifying Examination. (PANCE) and later re-certify through another examination, which is called the PANRE.
A nurse practitioner, (or NP), is essentially more academically advanced and experienced than RN, and PA.
To become a NP, RN must have a Master Degree or doctoral degree, and qualify through a national exam. Nurse practitioners must follow through with continued education and re-certify after a certain number of years. NP doesn't need to
practice under the supervision of a physician.
Often in a rural and remote settings, a NP completely replaces the need of a Physician.
I understand your frustration. People will do as much to you as you let them. They will overcharge, misrepresent, do shoddy work and want to be paid in full and in advance. These are professionals?
Don't let it eat you up. You have to arm yourself with tactics to prevent being swindled, suckered, etc. People are only going to get worse. Protect yourself, check everyone out, ask to see licenses & documentation, believe nothing you're told, take nobody at face value. Get everything in writing. Don't leave anything to chance.
I understand your frustration. People will do as much to you as you let them. They will overcharge, misrepresent, do shoddy work and want to be paid in full and in advance. These are professionals?
Don't let it eat you up. You have to arm yourself with tactics to prevent being swindled, suckered, etc. People are only going to get worse. Protect yourself, check everyone out, ask to see licenses & documentation, believe nothing you're told, take nobody at face value. Get everything in writing. Don't leave anything to chance.
Welcome to the New Age.
SOME people.
Strangely enough, we (63 yo couple) have had very few such experiences. Contractors we call give us a price and do the job. Sure, once in a while you call one who doesn't call back....fine!
We have a place in Florida also...a land known for rip-offs. But we are on the W. Coast which is not as bad. All the contractors we have called have showed up, given prices and done the job. I used to be in contracting and HVAC so I know a bit about getting my monies worth.
If I had to put forth a theory about this....I would say these things....
1. Some places (locales) have more scammers than others...but nice people tend to congregate in the same places also. Hopefully one can pick a place to live where people are generally honest and hardworking.
2. Those who are somewhat scammers themselves...tend to get scammed more often. Again, this is a theory - but we do know that a good salesperson - for example - is usually a good mark for other sales people.
3. Lack of knowledge or understanding about the issues at hand - this is a BIG one. In the world today one needs to be a "generalist" and know a little bit about everything. The internet and common sense are your friend.
To take this to it's further degree, I'll give a personal example. We have a family member with a serious genetic disease that requires multiple surgeries. We brought her to a fine hospital - University of Pennsylvania. I'm sure it has a stellar rep.
The doc who was going to operate on her (her first operation) said the prognosis was poor. She was 22 years old and he said changes are she'd be in a wheelchair the rest of her life. He also said she may have problems swallowing and with other functions. You can just imagine our shock....
We asked him how many of these surgeries he had done. I think the answer was six. Long story short we ended up talking to docs in LA - they had done 1,000 of the same surgery and expressed confidence they could do it without major lasting complications.
And they did. It's now 20 years and 10 surgeries later...and she is still (barely) walking.
Compare that to dozens of others with the same condition who didn't ask the right questions, check the internet more carefully or decide to travel to the best place for a rare disease....
Do your research. If you are not capable, talk to someone you trust who can help you...whether about a plumber or a surgeon.
You call a Plumber, the nice person who answers the phone says they are Licensed and Insured.
What you get is some guy that works part-time for this company with no License (he works under someone else's License)
You are told by the dealership they have ASE Certified mechanics!
What you get is some guy who was hired just the other day and causes more problems than was originally reported
You go to the "DOCTORS OFFICE" to see the "DOCTOR". You are greeted by a nurse who is not an RN and who pretends to be a doctor is your Physician's Assistant, NOT A DOCTOR.
Where is my discount? NONE, why did you mislead me to thinking I am getting someone I am not.
THIS NEEDS TO STOP.
Anyone else fed up with this line of fraud going on?
Calling it "fraud" is a gross over-reaction. Typically, you are seen by a "provider" of medical services. Typically it's called a "medical practice", not a "doctor's office".
Personally I feel there should be a 2-tier system where if you see the real doctor you pay the whole fee. If you see a nurse practitioner you pay something less.
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Misleading the public
