Tribal Societies vs The Modern World (Iraq, ethics, legal, Afghanistan)
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Tribal society and modern society have many different definitions and social contexts. Just because Afghan law legalizes rape doesn't mean all tribal society does, and all modern society does not.
Tribal societies will eventually be absorbed into the modern Mammonism. This is a plague that requires populations to be atomized so no effective political alternative to the exploitation of the individual can ever develop. This is the end point of both socialist and capitalist evolution. A decent society must have both economies so the individuals can form associations to counter the atomizing effect of endless industrialization.
the two seem so far apart in so many ways. can they co-exist?
must one die/evolve to satisfy the other?
In looking up the Shiite Personal Status Law, I came across this.
I believe we are missing quite a bit of information on this law. Many articles stated that the legal age of marriage of 18 had been dropped to 16 and even lowered to the age of 9. There are those who said they had not debated the law but the above article quotes a woman who states that she worked on the bill for over a year and that the words had been changed. Apparently, there are not many copies of the final law around. Another conflict is the statement that women cannot leave the house without permission from the husband but another article states that it is the opposite. Because of the discrepancies in information, I have to withhold my judgment.
Even so, this is Shiite family law and not Sunni Law. President Karzai is considered a puppet and may have approved this to prove that he is not and also to secure votes. There is much to think about here.
If President Karzai acquires the votes then he may be viewed as a legitimate ruler.
If President Karzai does not allow the Shiite to have their own family laws then there is room for any government to come in and use the Shiite communities to create more instability in a country that has been at war for decades.
And what of us? If there was no separation of church and state in the US then would we also not regress to “tribal” law?
It doesn't make any difference which tribe it is or who the male figure puppet is today or any day. . The majority of the middle-eastern countries are Theocracies and/or family owned Monarchies. It's been that way for 5,000 years and it will be that way for another 5.000. It makes no difference what the rest of the world thinks, or how modern the rest of the world is. A man can do as he pleases including raping his wife or killing her if she disobeys. It is the law of that land. We can debate this until h*ll freezes over and not one thing will change. Kill the men and maybe the male babies will be better raised and the women free of the yolk of oppression. But I wouldn't bet on it. Too many old grannies living that know no other way. And besides that the minute the men were dead, Syria or Iraq would swoop in and quikcly squench the idea of a female dominated country. It is and endless cycle they have to figure out for themselves. No on can do it for them. .
the two seem so far apart in so many ways. can they co-exist?
must one die/evolve to satisfy the other?
I would not be quick at all anymore to conclude that a more technologically advanced culture is automatically more "civilized" than one that is less advanced. Here's an update to the story about this new Law, apparently on hold for now. It smacks of Arab gamesmanship to me.
the two seem so far apart in so many ways. can they co-exist?
must one die/evolve to satisfy the other?
They do co-exist; socialism is derived from the tribal ethics. Both socialism and tribal life believe in the premise that the fruits of the labor of the individual should belong to everyone. In both systems the advancement of the individual and individual rights are discouraged.
They do co-exist; socialism is derived from the tribal ethics. Both socialism and tribal life believe in the premise that the fruits of the labor of the individual should belong to everyone. In both systems the advancement of the individual and individual rights are discouraged.
Outstanding argument, must of put hours of thought into that one.
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