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Old 06-23-2015, 08:30 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Whether you realize it or not, using the confederate flag (even on your beer label) is like giving the middle finger to any black person that sees it.

It's THE symbol of the Confederacy, a union formed with one purpose: to retain the right to own black people as slaves.
The national flag of the Confederate States of America was not the only flag slavery existed under. Slavery existed under the Union Jack and the United States of America.

 
Old 06-23-2015, 08:47 AM
 
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One word.... MISSISSIPPI.. they are gonna revamp their flag.. then that will leave.....
 
Old 06-23-2015, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Greer
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The national flag of the Confederate States of America was not the only flag slavery existed under. Slavery existed under the Union Jack and the United States of America.
It did, but slavery was not the primary purpose of the creation of those other countries.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 09:38 AM
 
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The Confederate battle flag (as I assume you're talking about) is a symbol of resistance to tyranny, and the right of self government. When the South seceded from the union (that it voluntarily entered), it did so in accordance with the same guarantees of self-government that the original thirteen colonies.

The War for Southern Independence had nothing to do with slavery. Lincoln himself stated that he was only interested in forcing the Southern States back into the union. He offered to let them return to the Union with slaves. If the South was concerned with retaining slavery, the best course of action would have been to return to the union.

What the South was concerned with, however, was the right to self government. There were many economic issues that had been plaguing the union for some time. Most prominent was the tariff, which unfairly and adversely effected the South, while benefiting the North. This led to much controversy over the years.

The tensions between the two sections had been going on for many years, and ultimately was the product of a clash of two cultures.

It would have been better, from the beginning, to follow the advice of Patrick Henry. The North and South should have been two countries, and not one, because the cultures were so different.

Source(s): http://www.crispinsartwell.com/henry.htm
www.crownrights.com
http://www.americascaesar.com/
 
Old 06-23-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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The war is over. We lost. Take it down.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Tumf View Post
The Confederate battle flag (as I assume you're talking about) is a symbol of resistance to tyranny, and the right of self government. When the South seceded from the union (that it voluntarily entered), it did so in accordance with the same guarantees of self-government that the original thirteen colonies.

The War for Southern Independence had nothing to do with slavery. Lincoln himself stated that he was only interested in forcing the Southern States back into the union. He offered to let them return to the Union with slaves. If the South was concerned with retaining slavery, the best course of action would have been to return to the union.

What the South was concerned with, however, was the right to self government. There were many economic issues that had been plaguing the union for some time. Most prominent was the tariff, which unfairly and adversely effected the South, while benefiting the North. This led to much controversy over the years.

The tensions between the two sections had been going on for many years, and ultimately was the product of a clash of two cultures.

It would have been better, from the beginning, to follow the advice of Patrick Henry. The North and South should have been two countries, and not one, because the cultures were so different.

Source(s): http://www.crispinsartwell.com/henry.htm
www.crownrights.com
http://www.americascaesar.com/
Right, as in the right to self-govern as a means to owning people
 
Old 06-23-2015, 10:36 AM
 
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Right, as in the right to self-govern as a means to owning people
Self governing and owning people are two separate bandwagons.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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Bible was always ok with slavery, so Was Jesus.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Greer
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Self governing and owning people are two separate bandwagons.
Not for the South during secession and the Civil War, they weren't.
 
Old 06-23-2015, 02:40 PM
 
Location: SC
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I see the flag as a non issue. The only issue here is that the major news outlets were let down that the suspect was captured and put into custody so shockingly fast and without drama, that it infringed on their ability to sensationalize this story. No race wars, no looting and violence in the streets to cover for weeks or months, like other cities.

This entire flag drama is simply a diversion, and a new drama that the media is fueling for ratings. Where was the media blitz on this topic in the last 100+ years?

The flag has always been used all over popular media by people of all colors. A lot of southern, black artists and rappers use it on album covers, etc., as a symbol of southern heritage.

My family did not fight and die for the south, so I have no real opinion on the flag personally; that should be left up to people who have been here for generations - they have a right hold onto a symbol of heritage where their ancestors sacrificed their lives. I think that is how most people view the flag, but the state has a right to do what it wants, even in the midst of a media avalanche that has already made up it's mind for SC.
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