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Old 09-16-2012, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Right now it appears that being a female, I am encouraged by health insurance to x-ray/image my breasts. But what about my spine?

In the 1990's I was able to simply, on my own, ask a chiropractor to x-ray my spine. I was medicare. I simply did this outside of network. It was a one time transaction that I needed for my own health maintenance by me. I made a huge error. I neglected to get a copy. So no one can document that I have a split tailbone.

Because of x-ray pollution law suits, health insurers have to be very careful. In the spine industry there are two professions: Sports surgeons and Podiatrists. They are completely separate entities. Chiropractors and Podiatrists depend on each other but fight over body parts of the spine.

I was around 65YO when I could easily buy a one-time spine x-ray. I know there are four kinds. The two popular ones are what I need: the nape area x-ray and the tail-bone x-ray. It was explained to me by my PCP and my Podiatrist that I have two choices: get my PCP to recommend a network Chiropractor or go out of network with the Podiatrist and call him for a private consultation.

I don't need consultations. I just need a new picture of the nape area of my spine and a new picture of the tail bone section. Seems the most economic way to go. They can provide me with a cd with the pictures. YHWH Gadol! I've got one of my dog's heart.

But I can't repeat this simple action because? I still don't know why. I think it's because of the lawyers and fears of being sued because the x-rays cause cancer. Yet it was mammograms that hid my breast cancer which I discovered and now KNOW was caused by Hormone Replacement Therapy which means that estrogen can become a poison in the human body. A vicious cycle.

I could complain that my back hurts, but the pain is understandable because of the spinal x-ray I took. What I need is just those two spinal x-rays to MAINTAIN pain-free existence. I can't see my spine myself. I don't want pain. That's too late already. I wont' lie because that doesn't help with Tikkun Olam.

YHWH, HaSekhel HaYashar, Please help the lawyers help me so I can buy a cd of my nape spine and my tailbone spine. The rest I don't need because I know from the one x-ray that I am sway-back and my right leg is shorter than my left. That takes care of podiatry. I am now experimenting with "activity tolerance" on my own: with/without shoes indoor/outdoor. That's because of that one x-ray I had freely bought in the marketplace. I won't take deadly mammograms to please the statisticians gathering their professional data about the boobs of females.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:22 AM
 
Location: prescott az
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I don't understand your post.
Why do you want to xray your spine and what will you do with the xray once you get it? Put it on a shelf in your closet or what?
Usually if you have pain (in your neck or back) a doctor will order the xray and you will go get it, and then the doctor will tell you what he sees, and then give you suggestions for the pain. This can be completed by your PCP, a pain management doctor, a sports medicine doctor, or others. Also, today xrays are obsolete. An MRI will reveal much more.

And mammograms are not deadly. They regularly detect cancer of the breast and are important ways for women to save their lives with early detection. I am one of those survivors.

Again, what are you really asking in this post? I am confused.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I don't understand your post.
Why do you want to xray your spine and what will you do with the xray once you get it? Put it on a shelf in your closet or what?
Usually if you have pain (in your neck or back) a doctor will order the xray and you will go get it, and then the doctor will tell you what he sees, and then give you suggestions for the pain. This can be completed by your PCP, a pain management doctor, a sports medicine doctor, or others. Also, today xrays are obsolete. An MRI will reveal much more.

And mammograms are not deadly. They regularly detect cancer of the breast and are important ways for women to save their lives with early detection. I am one of those survivors.

Again, what are you really asking in this post? I am confused.
I need the x-ray to verify to my doctors that I have a bruise on the right side of my nape. I don't know it might have disappeared by now. It's important to me for personal reasons/theories about why I lost my memory 3 times. It has to do with acupressure points, particularly GV 16. I verified all this with an emergency room security guard. At work a black belter told me he can't talk about it.

I want to verify I have a split tailbone. Why should I wait until I have pain. Everyone knows at the age of 80 your body is deteriorating. Everyone should be entitled to spinal x-rays at appropriate intervals during one's life time. That's just plain old HaSekhel HaYashar (aka the sterile Common Sense).

Why not get an x-ray first and then go for a consultation. Like I did in the middle 1990's. Why was it legal then and not now. I think law suits are a convenient political move and rumor to force people to "consult" with medical men who analyze first then prescribe then if that doesn't work get x-ray.

BTW I already thought I was sway-back and my left leg was longer than my right, but the x-ray documented it. I used that information when my sports medicine surgeons told me that I'm old and to expect pain. I have a repaired crushed right ankle. Those x-rays told me what I had to do to prevent the pain in my left knee. Figure it out for yourself. If you can't. then someone else here can help you.

Like I said, I was stupid not to get a copy of that x-ray back then. How did I know they would prevent me from doing the same thing in the future.

That's why it's essential for everyone to document every single part of their body and keep records in their homes.

For instance, the documents for my home were not kept about FEMA by the City Fathers and when I was selling my home in Dallas when they had 20% of the foreclosures in the USA, "they" were trying to get me to sell for less based on that. Luckily I had the documents!! Our bodies are being treated exactly like our real estate with changes in laws.

This is also true about all sorts of sociological events in our lives. Every day a new law to control every part of the necessities of life. It's reality gaming. Everyone's a lawyer nowadaze.
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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I need the x-ray to verify to my doctors that I have a bruise on the right side of my nape. I don't know it might have disappeared by now. It's important to me for personal reasons/theories about why I lost my memory 3 times. It has to do with acupressure points, particularly GV 16. I verified all this with an emergency room security guard. At work a black belter told me he can't talk about it.

I want to verify I have a split tailbone. Why should I wait until I have pain. Everyone knows at the age of 80 your body is deteriorating. Everyone should be entitled to spinal x-rays at appropriate intervals during one's life time. That's just plain old HaSekhel HaYashar (aka the sterile Common Sense).

Why not get an x-ray first and then go for a consultation. Like I did in the middle 1990's. Why was it legal then and not now. I think law suits are a convenient political move and rumor to force people to "consult" with medical men who analyze first then prescribe then if that doesn't work get x-ray.

BTW I already thought I was sway-back and my left leg was longer than my right, but the x-ray documented it. I used that information when my sports medicine surgeons told me that I'm old and to expect pain. I have a repaired crushed right ankle. Those x-rays told me what I had to do to prevent the pain in my left knee. Figure it out for yourself. If you can't. then someone else here can help you.

Like I said, I was stupid not to get a copy of that x-ray back then. How did I know they would prevent me from doing the same thing in the future.

That's why it's essential for everyone to document every single part of their body and keep records in their homes.

For instance, the documents for my home were not kept about FEMA by the City Fathers and when I was selling my home in Dallas when they had 20% of the foreclosures in the USA, "they" were trying to get me to sell for less based on that. Luckily I had the documents!! Our bodies are being treated exactly like our real estate with changes in laws.

This is also true about all sorts of sociological events in our lives. Every day a new law to control every part of the necessities of life. It's reality gaming. Everyone's a lawyer nowadaze.
I'm still really confused, you seem to be going off on 100 different tangents.

Tests of any kind are a "prescription" written by a doctor. Doctors (and any practitioner) take an oath upon completion of their program that they will serve their patients the best way they see fit. For the system in general, it does not make sense to give an expense x-ray/mri/ct any type of test without consultation from the practitioner. Why was it done in the 1990's? I can't answer that question. Things were different. However, the way doctors and practitioners are educated now is to establish a relationship with the patient, assess the situation, and then order tests if need be. It's the way they are trained, and in a way, part of the oath they take to protect you. Some scans can be very costly and time consuming when you take into account the high traffic in some hospitals and offices. You could say some doctors are money grubbers who want to "consult" with you first, however with my experience, most want to make a good decision. However, ordering a test without seeing you first could waste a lot of time and money on everyone's part. Yes, the system is flawed, however I understand the situation.

I like to think a doctor would need to see a patient first before ordering any sort of test. Any other way seems foolish to me, especially just because you think you need one.

I might still be missing the point.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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I know from experience that these days doctors are reluctant to order X-Rays or MRIs because the insurance companies scream bloody murder when it happens. You practically have to be a death's door or the victim of some horrible accident to get one immediately. I agree you need to start with your GP and talk to them about getting this procedure or to be referred to a specialist. If the specialist thinks you need an x-ray most of them can do it on site. Unfortunately, whether you like it or not, you may just have to jump thro these hoops to get what you want and wasting time complaining about it isn't going to change things.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:49 AM
 
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You already know what your problems are. An additional x-ray is not going to help you. An insurance company might consider it a useless test unless your condition has gotten much worse.

Mammograms are different because they detect something that may have appeared since the last one. They can prevent something.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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You already know what your problems are. An additional x-ray is not going to help you. An insurance company might consider it a useless test unless your condition has gotten much worse.

Mammograms are different because they detect something that may have appeared since the last one. They can prevent something.
Not if you are on HRT and have an induced dense breast. I'm the one who discovered the cancer hidden by the mammogram 6 months earlier. I'm the one who connected it with HRT having caused my breast cancer. Recently a former PCP (changed insurance since then) admitted that HRT was a poison and he felt very guilty because he was also defrauded by the Pharmaceutical Companies.

I just figured out the other day how to take care of my left and right side of my body. I'm going to ask my PCP to measure me standing on my left foot and then measure me standing on my right foot. I live alone and so I have to wait until my next month appointment to see if this experiment works.

I will always be ignorant if I still have a bruise on the rightside of the nape of my neck. A very important pressure point: the nape of the neck.

No one cares that I'm sway-back. I do though. Also that I have a split tailbone that doesn't hurt but I don't know how it works inside my body. Hard to find out on Internet too.

If I had kids now, I'd want to have a spinal before they went to college, at their majority when they could vote.

BTW, I'm not sure how birth control pills also can cause breast cancer. I'll never know.
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:49 PM
 
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Isurance pays for testing for problems that professionals think neceassry not what a perosn may want. insurnace is a poll and not some cash fund to pay for testing that experts can't justify. If you want unlimted testig then I guess you fund it and ceretainyl if you beleive it then its worth the price you pay.Otehrwsie no pool insurance is goimg to pay for your guesses;plain and simple.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:55 PM
 
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Get a prescription from your PCP and pay out of pocket if your insurance won't cover it.

You'd be surprised how cheap you can get an xray if you shop around.

I got a pelvic ultrasound for just over $100 last year, simply because I called around for the best price.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Isurance pays for testing for problems that professionals think neceassry not what a perosn may want. insurnace is a poll and not some cash fund to pay for testing that experts can't justify. If you want unlimted testig then I guess you fund it and ceretainyl if you beleive it then its worth the price you pay.Otehrwsie no pool insurance is goimg to pay for your guesses;plain and simple.
This has nothing to do with insurance for me. I simply can't do what I did in Garland around 1995. Simply go to a chiropractor and ask for an x-ray. I think there are legal laws beyond insurance that effects this kind of freedom of consumer today. Lots of research about x-rays themselves being harmful. The only insurance that is involved is malpractice insurance these days. Twenty years ago that was not an issue with x-rays.
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