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Old 12-23-2014, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Buffalo
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While enrollment on government-run Obamacare exchanges gets the bulk of media attention, sign-ups for Medicaid have been even greater, in no small part due to another part of the Affordable Care Act.

Since October 2013, enrollment in Medicaid and the related Children's Health Insurance Program had grown by about 9.7 million people as of this past October, according to data released Thursday by the federal government. That's 17 percent higher than what was the average monthly enrollment level seen from July through September 2013
Nearly 10M move to Medicaid since Obamacare launch


I heard that Obamacare brought people into Medicaid that didn't previously know they qualified.
That's good for the poor, but not good for the people who pay for their insurance. I don't know whether it's the taxpayers who pay because of the financial assistance, or the premium payment for people who do pay for their insurance...but there it is
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:37 PM
 
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No; it lower income standard of who get into Medicaid to a point. The plan tho requires states to agree to pickup a portion after so many years to allow more into Medicaid. Alot of states declined .For example Nelsen(D) of Nebraska got a exemption for his states from taking over part of the cost in coming years because he said it would bankrupt his state. The cost will come when states take over a share of increase cost by increased numbers.This was important because they couldn't score the ACA with subsidizing lower income .Score means meet senate rules of paying for a bill's cost. In fact if a person has too low a income they are not allowed to buy insurance on exchanges. Its a way of getting state taxpayers to share the cost. It shifts burden thus scores. Its like all assumptions made in scoring; they have to come true such as savings in the bills scoring. So that is ten million added to Medicaid cost and in future years part of that cost will be shifted to state taxpayers in those states who agreed to the terms. The bill as written punished states who didn't agree by withholding Medicaid dollars gotten now but supreme court overruled that.

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Old 12-24-2014, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
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The thing most people overlook is that there were already millions of people getting "free care" because they were poor, illegal, or both. ERs by law must treat anyone regardless of ability to pay. And many don't pay.

Where was that money coming from? Mostly state taxes and things like $50 tissues. We have been paying for other people's health care ever since the dawn of insurance. Hopefully, this will better even out. It just looks bad on paper because few were aware that those medicaid patients WERE ALREADY getting free care pre ACA.
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Old 12-24-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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But the its the increase in people on Medicaid that will directly tax people. We already subside both Medicaid and Medicare by their price controls. This just adds to direct tax effect; especially in state adopting the Medicaid spending increase. Nelsen(D) of Nebraska got a exemption from passed on cost to his state saying it would bankrupt his state; showing the amount of increase when state take over their increased cost.
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Old 12-24-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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A lot of states declined .For example Nelsen(D) of Nebraska got a exemption for his states from taking over part of the cost in coming years because he said it would bankrupt his state.
Which exemption shortly thereafter was repealed and written out of the ACA in Reconciliation - as has been pointed out to you at least FIVE TIMES. Nelson LOST his Cornhusker, exemption.
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"Cornhusker" kickbackLeadership who opposed reform.[178][198][199] After a final 13-hour negotiation, Nelson's support for the bill was won after two concessions: a compromise on abortion, modifying the language of the bill "to give states the right to prohibit coverage of abortion within their own insurance exchanges" (requiring consumers to pay for the procedure out-of-pocket, if the state decided it); and an amendment to offer a higher rate of Medicaid reimbursement for Nebraska.[171][201]

The latter half of the compromise was derisively referred to as the "Cornhusker Kickback"[202] (and was later repealed by the subsequent reconciliation amendment bill). has since been written OUT of the ACA legislation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act
In fact, the reconciliation bill increased funding for three years for ALL states - not just Nebraska:
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In response to complaints from governors and state lawmakers, coupled with public outrage over the “Cornhusker Kickback,” section 1201 of Speaker Pelosi’s reconciliation bill amends the Senate bill to have the federal government cover all of the extra Medicaid benefit costs for all states in the first three years (2014-2016) with the federal share then declining so that from 2020 onward the Federal government would pay 90 percent of the costs with state taxpayers covering the remaining 10 percent.

Reconciliation Bill Tosses New York a Fiscal Hand Grenade | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation
Please - stop repeating this erroneous and misleading general statement on a non-existent exemption.
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Old 12-31-2014, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Default Food Stamps

There are 46,000,000 folks on food stamps at least 1/3 fraudulently . The problem is as we march to potential economic collapse here and abroad this program will fold along with closings of food banks and rapid consumption of over a
billion dollars of FEMA camps emergency food. Solution?
If receiving Medicaid funds you must store up at least through
2015! At least can goods and needed supplies.
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