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Old 11-27-2017, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Of course the cancer doctors will say that...there's MANY documented cases and published medical abstracts that say there IS....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4015162/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8387809

Your first example merely said there is a possibility and it needs more study.
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Old 11-27-2017, 02:45 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Your first example merely said there is a possibility and it needs more study.
I read both sources. Both suggested that its POSSIBLE. Neither one came to any conclusion either way. One rather large unknown is whether the patient's cancer had already spread before the biopsy was even done. You would have had to know this through whole body imaging or blood work searching for markers to even guess. So, if a patient has their very first biopsy what was present previous to the procedure is a complete unknown.

Of course it is a concern. A biopsy is invasive, no one is disputing it. Finding non-invasive ways to diagnose a cancer is the way to go. I also know that a surgeon doing a biopsy isn't going to be casually flinging material around either. They know what they are diagnosing, and the consequences.

Also, consider this....if the biopsy is positive there will be treatment (assuming the patient wants it) and follow up that will include body scans and blood work to look for other cancerous sites. Its called "staging" and plays into what treatment will be suggested. If metastases exist or could have been triggered by the biopsy treatment may well take care of them as well as the primary site. I know, I know, some cancers are not treated systemically right at that time. Something remote could be missed, but at least the person is being followed a lot more closely once they are diagnosed.

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Old 11-30-2017, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Inland FL
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You can't worry. Of course that is easier said than done but the fact is worrying does nothing. Unfortunately cancer strikes and that's a chance we all take in life. We're all going to be dead one day. If I found out I had cancer I'd let it kill me.
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Old 12-03-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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If you're really worried about cancers check out the ONCOblot test...it's amazingly accurate for a whole host of different cancers, and not invasive at all.
https://www.cancercenterforhealing.c...cer-detection/
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:55 PM
 
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The odds are in my heritage that it will strike. Had genetic testing done. It's a matter of when now. Just know that at 28 I completely stopped the b c pill and any means of contraceptive,so will be curious as I hit my 60's if that was a course met with favor to slow it down. Worry though? Not for the cancer,worry more ..When and how to battle it. I've limited my regard for medicine since billions have been collected and no cure in sight.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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Yes, if it were cured, it would be a big loss for the Big Medical Machine (personnel, medications, equipment) and Big Pharma. One would like to think that wouldn't make a difference when it comes to life, death and/or suffering, but one would be wrong. It is all about the money anymore.



Yes, sadly.

I don't worry about it. Both of my parents had it. Mom had breast cancer in her early 40s, treated and lived to 72, and Dad died of bone cancer at 55 (smoker who underwent radiation in an Army hospital in the 1940s, the old heavy duty kind). While I still went to allopathic physicians, they wanted me to have mammograms, etc. I had none. We practice preventive medicine by exercise and diet plus homeopathy. At 63, no medications. My only fear is the government requiring me to fall in line taking away my right to make the best decisions for myself and family.

I came to believe that some of the testing done may indeed find cancer because it was creating cancer. I had talked with an experienced RN about the possibilities when a "lump" was opened to find out if it were cancerous and the possible escape of the cancer cells, if present, to other areas of the body............ Also, the whole mammogram and how that was catching so much cancer.............. Yeah, I looked in depth and make the decisions based on my ability to make judgement calls on my health and the health of my family to include pets.
My mother was convinced her cancer spread because a resident did her biopsy and took 4 or 5 tries, poking and moving cells around.

It has been proved that 1 mammo a year for 20 years has enough radiation to cause breast cancer. Ever wonder why mammos are given for free in vans that roam around? Interesting.

There was also a Canadian health study (early 2000s) of 50,000 women where the cause of death was breast cancer. Half the women had been diagnosed *early* and treated, and half were diagnosed only when near death and received no treatment.

There was NO DIFFERENCE in survival rates. That is, the untreated/undiagnosed group had the same overall death rate as the TREATED group. Which means, diagnosing and treatment doesn't prolong life. I've never seen another study like it since, most likely because the drug companies will never attempt to *prove* their testing and treatment like this again for fear of the same result. The study was buried of course and got little to no press.
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:53 PM
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My mother was convinced her cancer spread because a resident did her biopsy and took 4 or 5 tries, poking and moving cells around.

It has been proved that 1 mammo a year for 20 years has enough radiation to cause breast cancer. Ever wonder why mammos are given for free in vans that roam around? Interesting.

There was also a Canadian health study (early 2000s) of 50,000 women where the cause of death was breast cancer. Half the women had been diagnosed *early* and treated, and half were diagnosed only when near death and received no treatment.

There was NO DIFFERENCE in survival rates. That is, the untreated/undiagnosed group had the same overall death rate as the TREATED group. Which means, diagnosing and treatment doesn't prolong life. I've never seen another study like it since, most likely because the drug companies will never attempt to *prove* their testing and treatment like this again for fear of the same result. The study was buried of course and got little to no press.


Because poor people in widely dispersed medicine-underserved communities can't get them otherwise.


Why do you think conspiracy theories is a reasonable way to get at the truth? Do you really think you are being rational and getting to an actual truth with such dogma and rationales underlying your thinking?

If you've got one study saying x and five studies saying y, and you are in charge of presenting a medical policy, do you think you should ignore the five saying Y?


How can you ever hope to get close to an objective truth when the mindset is conspiracy and never empirical determination. Is it a paranoia about "the man" getting one over you and seeing oneself as "too clever" to have the wool pulled over your eyes? Or is it fundamental attribution error and arrogance barely cloaked as wisdom?
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:55 PM
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I'm 6'3 260, so I am slightly overweight with a beer gut and I know that people with even just a little bit of belly fat are at higher risk of getting cancer. Even when I was thirty or forty pounds lighter, I still had a gut. I love sugar...lol I can't go a day without eating two or three sweet snacks. People say excess sugar consumption can lead to cancer, as well. I do eat 2-3 servings of fruit and veggies everyday though, but I know that is not enough. I exercise 2-3 times a week, but every time I eat something I worry that it could give me cancer. I just want to enjoy food.


(also I take antidepressants everyday and have for years and worry what putting those pills in my body over a long period of time will do to it)


Ok, why don't we start with which form of death are you not constantly worried about or afraid of. (You do die, every single one of us does). From there we might consider the special obsession you have with cancer.
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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I don't worry about it, even though there is a history of it in my family. Sure, it might happen, and I'll cross that bridge if I come to it. But I see no point in worrying about something that might not occur. I also believe that we can possibly trick our bodies with our thoughts, and possibly create a more ripe atmosphere for such diseases. I'm not taking any chances!
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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If I found out I had cancer I'd let it kill me.
I'd take marijuana oil, and save myself.
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