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Old 02-16-2020, 01:56 AM
 
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looks like last few years has gone especially bad. i haven't sight medical help. but once it is time, seeking medical help seems rough https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/o...fI0-1GWuiIOVwc
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:03 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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looks like last few years has gone especially bad. i haven't sight medical help. but once it is time, seeking medical help seems rough https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/o...fI0-1GWuiIOVwc
Thats an "opinion piece" from a notoriously liberal rag. Not news.
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Old 02-20-2020, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Thats an "opinion piece" from a notoriously liberal rag. Not news.
Thanks, I was thinking something very similar. I do wish people would not take these articles too seriously. As you say: liberal leaning big time and regardless it is opinion which is very different from factual.
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Old 02-20-2020, 07:24 AM
 
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It may be a liberal news outlet, but you can't deny that medical bills are ridiculous in the US, and far higher than literally every other country in the world. And people get hit with surprise bills all the time. They are just asking that the prices be transparent. I do know of any other business that does not tell you the price of a service beforehand.

My daughter needed to go to the emergency room. We took her to the only children's hospital in our area. The hospital is in network with our insurance (we actually have pretty good insurance). But it turns out that every, single doctor in the ER is a contractor and doesn't actually work for the hospital. And those doctors don't take insurance. That's not right. It's an emergency room, not like a planned visit. What's the point of going to an in-network hospital if the doctors aren't actually in network? And that wasn't disclosed to us until we got the bill.
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Old 02-20-2020, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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It may be a liberal news outlet, but you can't deny that medical bills are ridiculous in the US, and far higher than literally every other country in the world. And people get hit with surprise bills all the time. They are just asking that the prices be transparent. I do know of any other business that does not tell you the price of a service beforehand.

My daughter needed to go to the emergency room. We took her to the only children's hospital in our area. The hospital is in network with our insurance (we actually have pretty good insurance). But it turns out that every, single doctor in the ER is a contractor and doesn't actually work for the hospital. And those doctors don't take insurance. That's not right. It's an emergency room, not like a planned visit. What's the point of going to an in-network hospital if the doctors aren't actually in network? And that wasn't disclosed to us until we got the bill.
It make more sense for you to post your story instead of a newspaper opinion piece.
In emergencies there is no time to negotiate anything, when it comes to healthcare just get it, argue later.

As a foreign import I know American healthcare is second to none, in the UK emergency room visits often entail a 12 hour wait, many people give up, go home and die.
Its a horror story out there.

https://www.ft.com/content/88ebc782-...9-0bcf87a328f2
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Old 02-20-2020, 01:17 PM
 
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It make more sense for you to post your story instead of a newspaper opinion piece.
In emergencies there is no time to negotiate anything, when it comes to healthcare just get it, argue later.

As a foreign import I know American healthcare is second to none, in the UK emergency room visits often entail a 12 hour wait, many people give up, go home and die.
Its a horror story out there.

https://www.ft.com/content/88ebc782-...9-0bcf87a328f2
The fact that there are even hospital emergency rooms that staff nothing by doctors who don't take any insurance is complete BS and should not be allowed. Luckily, my sister-in-law is an insurance lawyer (does mostly health insurance) and took care of it for me. But for those people who don't have that resource, they are going to be hit with a bill that could be well into the thousands of dollars.
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Old 02-20-2020, 01:26 PM
 
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The fact that there are even hospital emergency rooms that staff nothing by doctors who don't take any insurance is complete BS and should not be allowed. Luckily, my sister-in-law is an insurance lawyer (does mostly health insurance) and took care of it for me. But for those people who don't have that resource, they are going to be hit with a bill that could be well into the thousands of dollars.

Know what you are doing before you do. Be informed. I can only confirm jonesg's statement - healthcare in Europe is an adventure for the healthy.
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:20 PM
 
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Know what you are doing before you do. Be informed. I can only confirm jonesg's statement - healthcare in Europe is an adventure for the healthy.
All indications were that they take insurance. The hospital accepts insurance and is in-network. Because these doctor's are contractors, there is no way of knowing what doctor you will even see, their names, or anything to check it out. And even if I could, which wasn't possible, there was a shift change after my daughter had already started treatment, so even if the first doctor was actually a doctor affiliated with the hospital, we had no choice of who the second doctor was.

My boss recently moved here from Brussels (originally from Spain). He thinks our health system is appalling. Same for all of my Canadian friends. We have several contractors who work for us from Brazil, they can't believe how ridiculous our health system is. Every, single one of them has said the healthcare system they have at home is better.

Of course, there are problems with every system, but ours is a nightmare. I don't know a single person who loves their health insurance or who doesn't have a story about how much stuff costs, even with insurance that we pay ungodly amounts for, or were denied coverage, etc.
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Old 02-20-2020, 04:19 PM
 
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It make more sense for you to post your story instead of a newspaper opinion piece.
In emergencies there is no time to negotiate anything, when it comes to healthcare just get it, argue later.

As a foreign import I know American healthcare is second to none, in the UK emergency room visits often entail a 12 hour wait, many people give up, go home and die.
Its a horror story out there.

https://www.ft.com/content/88ebc782-...9-0bcf87a328f2
If you think that doesn't happen here, you are naive. My mother in law waited as long as 36 hours in an ER before getting treatment, and that was in Houston. It's worse elsewhere.
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Old 02-20-2020, 04:25 PM
 
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All indications were that they take insurance. The hospital accepts insurance and is in-network. Because these doctor's are contractors, there is no way of knowing what doctor you will even see, their names, or anything to check it out. And even if I could, which wasn't possible, there was a shift change after my daughter had already started treatment, so even if the first doctor was actually a doctor affiliated with the hospital, we had no choice of who the second doctor was.
So it is like a musical chair or a wheel of fortune.

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My boss recently moved here from Brussels (originally from Spain). He thinks our health system is appalling. Same for all of my Canadian friends. We have several contractors who work for us from Brazil, they can't believe how ridiculous our health system is. Every, single one of them has said the healthcare system they have at home is better.
The long wait for a specialist consult and treatment is onerous. Furthermore, because the healthcare industry enjoys a non-competitive and unionized environment, I doubt any American will take the crap from the rank and file. Judging from all the negative online reviews, it seems the less lettered and penurious are most affected in a healthcare system free for all.

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Of course, there are problems with every system, but ours is a nightmare. I don't know a single person who loves their health insurance or who doesn't have a story about how much stuff costs, even with insurance that we pay ungodly amounts for, or were denied coverage, etc.
Some others have mentioned it before, to look at private / public-dual-healthcare system in Australia, France, Switzerland and Singapore.
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