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Old 07-20-2016, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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A bit of history I dont remember being taught at school.. that I came across..

By 1864, a total of 27 shipyards and 25,000 men on the Clyde were working around the clock to build ships for the Confederacy. Around 3,000 Scots worked on-board these ships in direct violation of British neutrality in the conflict. Around a third of all Confederate Blockade runners were built at Scottish shipyards situated all along the Clyde from Govan to Greenock. Such examples include the CSS Robert E Lee and SS Fingal, which were constructed in Glasgow, in addition to the Greenock built SS Tristram Shandy and CSS Advance. Recent research suggests that Confederate agents were based in Bridge of Allan in Stirlingshire, where they could avoid Yankee counter agents and meet with shipping magnates. A furious US Government later called for compensation from the British Government for prolonging the Confederate war effort, maintaining that British shipyards could be liable for a staggering £8 billion in damages. After the US Government threatened to seize Canada and the West Indies as compensation, Britain eventually agreed to pay a mere £7.4 million in 1877.

https://sonofskye.wordpress.com/2014...es-of-america/ You will also notice the black slave for sale.

I read through the site and noticed a house being mentioned in Glasgow... Benvue House.. then found this. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...s_visit_found/
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/...029161!6m1!1e1

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Old 07-20-2016, 05:23 AM
 
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The Scotsman'' newspaper for Saturday January 5 2013-pages 26-27-has an excellent article and photograph of Ex-C.S.A. President Jefferson Davis vacationing in Glasgow Scotland, in 1869 at the home of his Scottish industrialist Ironmaster friend, James Smith , who pre-1861 had set up an ironworks in Mississippi.
Smith's younger brother Robert had also been a bodyguard to Davis before being killed in 1862 at the Batlle of Munfordville while leading a Mississippi infantry regiment into battle while holding the rank of Colonel.
By coincidence, President Lincoln had another Glasgow native as one of his bodyguards- Allan Pinkerton, the Glasgow native who founded the Pinkerton Detective agency. So Davis had that in common with ''Honest Abe'' -no matter their ideological differences -both had Scottish born bodyguards from Glasgow, Scotland.
Of course some 27 Glasgow shipyards produced some of the C.S.A.'s most successful Federal blockade running ships but the ordinary citizens of Glasgow were generally pro -Union as was shown when both Frederick Douglas and Harriet Beecher Stowe visited the city pre- 1861 on separate visits they were greeted with great enthusiasm.
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Old 07-20-2016, 05:30 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Didn't they also build an ironclad that was allowed to be delivered, and then wound up as Japan's first "modern" warship?

Or am I wrong?
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Old 07-20-2016, 05:48 AM
 
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Didn't they also build an ironclad that was allowed to be delivered, and then wound up as Japan's first "modern" warship?

Or am I wrong?
Havent read that , but will have a look.. thanks Opana..Im reading just now about the Bridge of Allan..
Historians reveal secrets of UK gun-running which lengthened the American civil war by two years | Archaeology | News | The Independent Did find this though.. the confederate ship that never got out of the Clyde and is still there to this day underwater. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-35705068

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Old 07-20-2016, 06:12 AM
 
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Scots and the American Civil War: So whose side were we on? - The Scotsman
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Old 07-20-2016, 06:30 AM
 
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My bad, it was France.

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Kōtetsu (甲鉄?, literally "Ironclad"), later renamed Azuma (東?, "East"), was the first ironclad warship of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Built in Bordeaux, France in 1864 for the Confederate States Navy as CSS Stonewall, and acquired from the United States in February 1869, she was an ironclad ram warship. She had a decisive role in the Naval Battle of Hakodate Bay in May 1869, which marked the end of the Boshin War, and the complete establishment of the Meiji Restoration.

Her sister ship Cheops was sold to the Prussian Navy, becoming the Prinz Adalbert.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japane...d_K%C5%8Dtetsu
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Old 07-20-2016, 06:57 AM
 
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So much more to this war than people think.. good info Opana.
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Old 07-20-2016, 07:34 AM
 
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So much more to this war than people think.. good info Opana.
Remember when France was helping the rebels, back in the 1770s? They do like their bad boys.
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Old 07-20-2016, 07:39 AM
 
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Remember when France was helping the rebels, back in the 1770s? They do like their bad boys.
ooooh la la Im off to read about that too..Seems both France and Great Britain needed cotton and wheat..
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Old 07-20-2016, 07:49 AM
 
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ooooh la la Im off to read about that too..Seems both France and Great Britain needed cotton and wheat..
Benjamin Franklin suffered so in the service of the cause.
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