How will Houston fare whenever oil diminishes in importance? (Corpus Christi: sales, home sales)

[cBach]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

I lived in Lake Charles for a few years. That job growth is only temporary. Once all the expansions are made, there will be a halt. And tourism is also a factor growing the jobs there. On the LNG, you do realize these companies are headquartered in Houston. Lake Charles is a completely blue collar town in regards to energy.

There are 8 more LNG brand new plants on the board in LC. This is in addition to the 2 already built.

For the already built LNG plants, there is an extra "train" planned for each.

The expansion isn't nearly over.

[cBach]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

Every port on the Texas coast is dredged (or artificial as you call it) What needs to be done to any or all of them will be done. The Texas coast also has advantages Louisiana does not. Being more convenient to the Texas oil fields is just one. Another is a geographic advantage that no Port in any other Gulf state can compete with. That's simply that the Texas coast is as far west you can go in the Atlantic basin and is a huge reason Houston gets the lion share of container traffic destined for Gulf Ports. Something like 75% of all the container business of all Gulf Coast ports. That container cargo is vital to the economic diversity of not only Houston but much of Texas as well and will be accommodated somehow, someway !

You don't seem to understand. The HSC needs to be widened not only deepened. The deepening is an issue because of a couple of tunnels in the area. The widening is an issue because various container ports and facilities will lose square acreage on their property. Then there is direct facing HSC acreage, which is almost zero. In other words there is no available land along the HSC.

Other ports will and ARE taking up the slack. Lake Charles is taking advantage of this, I've seen this firsthand.

Also, Corpus Christi is further west than Houston so it will start to grow immensely as Houston maxes out.

It's Houston's fault, they were very successful with their port but now the decision to build a channel instead of using a natural element has come back to bite them. Imagine if the port had been built along the Bolivar peninsula, there would be unlimited space. They have succeeded for the last 100 years with this regime but now we're seeing the limitations.

Other ports will take advantage.

Corpus Christi is competing neck and neck with Houston for oil exports. There are a lot of issues as CC has a large tourism industry. Also Beaumont is in the mix. Everyone's trying to compete here because Houston doesn't have enough room in the HSC.

https://apps.publicintegrity.org/blo...m-port-cities/

[Ghost Town]

Originally Posted by cBach

Also, Corpus Christi is further west than Houston so it will start to grow immensely as Houston maxes out.

It's Houston's fault, they were very successful with their port but now the decision to build a channel instead of using a natural element has come back to bite them. Imagine if the port had been built along the Bolivar peninsula, there would be unlimited space. They have succeeded for the last 100 years with this regime but now we're seeing the limitations.

Other ports will take advantage.

Corpus Christi is competing neck and neck with Houston for oil exports. There are a lot of issues as CC has a large tourism industry. Also Beaumont is in the mix. Everyone's trying to compete here because Houston doesn't have enough room in the HSC.

https://apps.publicintegrity.org/blo...m-port-cities/

Whenever I visit Corpus Christi, I always have an impression of an empty city. Stagnant businesses, half empty beach in the middle of summer, underdeveloped. This city has a lot of potential but doesn't really want to use it. One CC native told me they intentionally don't want to grow, just want to keep it simple. Galveston looks a lot more active during summer.

[cBach]

Originally Posted by Ghost Town

Whenever I visit Corpus Christi, I always have an impression of an empty city. Stagnant businesses, half empty beach in the middle of summer, underdeveloped. This city has a lot of potential but doesn't really want to use it. One CC native told me they intentionally don't want to grow, just want to keep it simple. Galveston looks a lot more active during summer.

CC beach is on the bay and sucks. If you go out to Port A there are a lot of people on the beach.

I agree that CC is a quiet, sleepy town but most people like it that way. You can drive on the beach and the weather is better than Galveston.

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by cBach

You don't seem to understand. The HSC needs to be widened not only deepened. The deepening is an issue because of a couple of tunnels in the area. The widening is an issue because various container ports and facilities will lose square acreage on their property. Then there is direct facing HSC acreage, which is almost zero. In other words there is no available land along the HSC.

Other ports will and ARE taking up the slack. Lake Charles is taking advantage of this, I've seen this firsthand.

Also, Corpus Christi is further west than Houston so it will start to grow immensely as Houston maxes out.

It's Houston's fault, they were very successful with their port but now the decision to build a channel instead of using a natural element has come back to bite them. Imagine if the port had been built along the Bolivar peninsula, there would be unlimited space. They have succeeded for the last 100 years with this regime but now we're seeing the limitations.

Other ports will take advantage.

Corpus Christi is competing neck and neck with Houston for oil exports. There are a lot of issues as CC has a large tourism industry. Also Beaumont is in the mix. Everyone's trying to compete here because Houston doesn't have enough room in the HSC.

https://apps.publicintegrity.org/blo...m-port-cities/

No, cBach you are the one that doesn't seem to understand. First the whole point of building the HSC was to provide a "protected" channel that Bolivar would not provide. Secondly you need more than water to make a port usable. You also need roads, and rail connections as well ,again Bolivar would not be sufficient in that area either. Thirdly the Baytown tunnel is gone, they demolished it in 1998 shortly after the completion of the Fred Hartman bridge over the channel. The Washburn tunnel is farther west and nobody is even thinking about building export facilities that far upstream. Corpus is farther west but has no infrastructure to handle much if any containerized cargo. Houston being closer to other major population centers, pretty much has it's way in that area.

Let the other Ports compete, it's all good for Houston in the long run, for all this infrastructure will be designed, built , and managed by Companies with Headquarters and or major operations in Houston.

[Ghost Town]

Originally Posted by cBach

CC beach is on the bay and sucks. If you go out to Port A there are a lot of people on the beach.

I agree that CC is a quiet, sleepy town but most people like it that way. You can drive on the beach and the weather is better than Galveston.

I've been to Port A several times, of course.

CC could have been a lot more successful, they just don't want much development. It reminds me Atlantic City. Atlantic City has so much potential, but it is a way behind Vegas.

[cBach]

Originally Posted by Ghost Town

I've been to Port A several times, of course.

CC could have been a lot more successful, they just don't want much development. It reminds me Atlantic City. Atlantic City has so much potential, but it is a way behind Vegas.

CC will have slow gradual growth.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by cBach

CC will have slow gradual growth.

CC had historically suffered from a "let's just stay an overgrown fishing town" mentality, but from recent work there, I think it's finally changing. Their port is definitely hot for expansion - the harbor bridge is being rebuilt to accommodate taller ships. Someone mentioned empty beaches - is it that way on NPI? There's actually a lot of talk about new development to capitalize on NPI, which of course directly fronts the Gulf.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

No, cBach you are the one that doesn't seem to understand. First the whole point of building the HSC was to provide a "protected" channel that Bolivar would not provide. Secondly you need more than water to make a port usable. You also need roads, and rail connections as well ,again Bolivar would not be sufficient in that area either. Thirdly the Baytown tunnel is gone, they demolished it in 1998 shortly after the completion of the Fred Hartman bridge over the channel. The Washburn tunnel is farther west and nobody is even thinking about building export facilities that far upstream. Corpus is farther west but has no infrastructure to handle much if any containerized cargo. Houston being closer to other major population centers, pretty much has it's way in that area.

Let the other Ports compete, it's all good for Houston in the long run, for all this infrastructure will be designed, built , and managed by Companies with Headquarters and or major operations in Houston.

No one has mentioned Port Freeport, which is the deepest of the Gulf ports, I believe. It's close enough to the Houston metro that we could participate in its expansion. There's been a huge amount of industrial development down there, significant enough to rival the PoH / Baytown area.

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

No one has mentioned Port Freeport, which is the deepest of the Gulf ports, I believe. It's close enough to the Houston metro that we could participate in its expansion. There's been a huge amount of industrial development down there, significant enough to rival the PoH / Baytown area.

Their website says "Port Freeport is 46 feet deep and is being dredged to 56 feet", which will allow it to handle VLCC ( very large crude carrier) ships. That is critical for the export of crude. They also have a LNG terminal going in down there as well.They not only have Highway and rail access, but all kinds of pipelines terminate there. Good catch !

I would prefer more crude exported from Ports like Freeport, and allow Port Houston to continue it's growth in container cargo myself.

Port Freeport | Ports in Texas