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Old 09-11-2018, 04:40 AM
 
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I'm so afraid of how powerful all this is.
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Old 09-11-2018, 05:06 AM
 
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I'm so afraid of how powerful all this is.
The worst part is after the storm norm and no power or A/C for weeks.
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Old 09-11-2018, 05:07 AM
 
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I got gas yesterday morning (I needed it - not hoarding, I swear!) and when I went out yesterday pm there were lines at all the stations. Even the hidden little gas station close to my house that only people who live nearby seem to know about! Two that my husband went to were out. However, they had a guy from Gas Buddy on the news this am and he said replenishing the stations should not be an issue right now and should not be until the storm hits and getting gas afterward should be ok as no refineries will be affected. Still it was craziness here yesterday during the evening rush.
Gas will go up for everyone in all states for no reason.
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Old 09-11-2018, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Just showing where the latest NAM model says landfall will be. It's NAM's long range so it doesn't typically do well.


Landfall Friday afternoon around Morehead City. Anything NE of that center will be flooded and probably devastated if remains a Cat 4. new Inlets will form.


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Old 09-11-2018, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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I got gas yesterday morning (I needed it - not hoarding, I swear!) and when I went out yesterday pm there were lines at all the stations. Even the hidden little gas station close to my house that only people who live nearby seem to know about! Two that my husband went to were out. However, they had a guy from Gas Buddy on the news this am and he said replenishing the stations should not be an issue right now and should not be until the storm hits and getting gas afterward should be ok as no refineries will be affected. Still it was craziness here yesterday during the evening rush.
It's eerie when it happens. It's like you can sense the tension and fear. Good luck.
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Old 09-11-2018, 05:36 AM
 
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11Sept18 5aEDT - Winds 140mph, moving WNW 15mph, pressure 944mb. Holding at a Cat4 still currently.

Short version:
-Storm should stay level in intensity a few hours, then go up a little more.
-Hurricane and Surge Watches up.
-Good news: its possible but maybe not in time to help too much, that wind shear shows up at last minute and starts to weaken storm but powerful one expected still.
-Bad news: still uncertainty in landfall point.
-Good/Bad news: Storm may stall right at/near the coast. Good because that means strong winds would only go so far inland, bad because prolonged experience for those who do get it.


Long version:

Hurricane Watch for Edisto Beach, SC to NC/VA border (winds 74+mph possible within 48hours or less). This will change to a Warning once we're about 24hours from landfall and hopefully narrow down more as we get closer to event start. Hurricane force winds(74+mph) now reach up to 40miles from the storm center, Tropical Storm force winds (39+mph) up to 150miles.
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-winds2.jpg

When could winds start to arrive? Here are when 39mph or higher could start and this is your cut-off to be prepared, evacuated if going to do so, or at what ever location you'll be at for the duration of the storm if you need something to go by time frame wise:
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-windsarvl.jpg

Storm Surge Watch for Edisto Beach, SC to NC/VA border including the Albemarle and Pamlico Sounds, Neuse and Pamlico Rivers.
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-surge-watch.jpg

Interactive Storm Surge map is out: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/gra...ation#contents This represents the plan for this, hope for less amount of surge from Florence. Surge is the rise in water above normal tide levels so if hits at high tide then worst case scenario if hits at low tide then not quite as high but near. Think of surge like a high high tide, its the entire body of water rising like a tide with waves on top and is always highest on the NE corner of the eyewall and less as you head away from that point.

**These graphics assume storm comes in between Wilmington, NC and Morehead City NC** (again subject to shift left or right as usual):
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-sl.jpg
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-s1.jpg

And a selected few for closeups:
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-s2.jpg
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-s3.jpg
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-s4.jpg
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-s5.jpg




Florence has leveled off for the time being (winds). Pressure and winds holding for at least a few hours. It's undergoing an ERC (Eyewall replacement cycle), typical in Cat3 or larger storms. It's a few hour to day long process where the storm recharges it's batteries so to speak then goes back to trying to maintain itself or become stronger again. These are hard to predict when they will occur but radar and hurricane hunter aircraft flying directly into the storm taking readings can tell us if one is occurring. When an ERC occurs the winds either stay level or come down some even for those few hours.

Expected to restart it's strengthening process after the ERC (See above) is complete and NHC is calling for a border line Cat4/5 storm within 24-36 hours. But in 48 hours near landfall NHC says shear may come back into play and we could see Florence begin to weaken. Intensity guidance shows this too, but still expecting a powerful Cat4-ish storm into the coast somewhere at this time still.

Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-winds.jpg

The official cone map although has tightened until near the coast then still spreads considerably right at landfall. Hopefully more clarity on that today. There is still uncertainty on where it will come ashore. Please be careful watching the weather channel that continues to show a specific track and related graphics to that effect and just every now and then says it could move left or right. You also see this with the WPC NOAA group because they are providing rainfall estimates but that typically coincides with the GFS model which is more towards the right side of the 'cone' compared to the Euro which is more towards the left side of the cone. And we clearly see this with the surge maps above! Uncertainty remains unfortunately. Landfall location has NOT been called for by the NHC yet and anywhere in the cone is where the center/eye could go. I do fear that focusing on a specific graphics scenario now may result in large number of people deciding to stay instead of heed officials instructions.

Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-cone.jpg

But I will say one of the main hurricane models and several members takes this into Morehead City NC which is probably why the surge graphics reflect that outcome at this time. Really hope the models come more in line today so we can yea or nay here. But we shall see. Wilmington NC and Morehead City NC have several models showing that way.

Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-models.jpg


And here's the Euro 'ensembles' (the models that make up the Euro) once again about half it's members come into SC coast still:
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-eureeps.jpg


This also means the affects felt may move around until we know where it will go.
Euro rain map:
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-eurorains.jpg

and GFS rain map:
Atlantic - Florence forms September 1, 2018-img-3510.png

Guidance still at odds. Still what we can take from this is that heavy rains, very likely inland flooding as well, is coming. They agree on that at least. NHC says 15-20inches, isolated 30inches somewhere inland.
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Old 09-11-2018, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Garbage, NC
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Woke up to being under a hurricane watch here in Wayne County, NC.
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Old 09-11-2018, 05:52 AM
 
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https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1039460496557174785
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Old 09-11-2018, 05:52 AM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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It's eerie when it happens. It's like you can sense the tension and fear. Good luck.
Yup - drove into the Walmart neighborhood store parking lot and drove right back out again. Not worth it.
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Old 09-11-2018, 06:30 AM
 
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With Watches and soon to be Warnings now posted along the coast, this means official NHC updates will now also come out at 2 & 8am/pmEDT, in addition to the main updates at 5 & 11am/pmEDT. Not all NHC products are updated with the 2 & 8 update like the surge maps which are only updated about 30-90 minutes after the 5 & 11 updates.

10Sept18 8aEDT - Winds 130mph, moving WNW 15mph, pressure 950mb. Slightly weaker with the previous mentioned ERC (eyewall replacement cycle) ongoing. Once complete sometime today expected to continue strengthening run.
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