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Old 07-30-2010, 12:03 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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If Ariz passed a law which fines employers for hiring known illegals, then why didn't that alone deplete the number of illegals living in ariz? if they can't work, then presumably why wouldn't they flee ariz?
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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If Ariz passed a law which fines employers for hiring known illegals, then why didn't that alone deplete the number of illegals living in ariz? if they can't work, then presumably why wouldn't they flee ariz?
Laws are meaningless if unenforced. Therein lies the problem.
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:28 AM
 
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If Ariz passed a law which fines employers for hiring known illegals, then why didn't that alone deplete the number of illegals living in ariz? if they can't work, then presumably why wouldn't they flee ariz?
I think for the same reason that thousands of illegals can protest while the rest of us have to get to jobs. Not only can they show up to every protest in their area, they can travel here and there to protests everywhere. A very large number of illegals aren't here working at all.

And very likely many employers of illegals figure the federal government will make certain they will face no penalty for bringing in illegals to work cheap.
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Old 07-30-2010, 03:55 PM
 
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If Ariz passed a law which fines employers for hiring known illegals, then why didn't that alone deplete the number of illegals living in ariz? if they can't work, then presumably why wouldn't they flee ariz?
Short answer? Theoretically, because even being unemployed, in Arizona, beats being unemployed in Zacatecas, or Michoacan. The 'social safety net' here has no equal in Latin America. No one (literally NO ONE) goes hungry here, unless they choose to. We do not allow people to starve here, NOR do we force them to work in order to eat. That's not true elsewhere.

Short answer, as I said...but it's part of the reason.
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Old 07-30-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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Short answer? Theoretically, because even being unemployed, in Arizona, beats being unemployed in Zacatecas, or Michoacan. The 'social safety net' here has no equal in Latin America. No one (literally NO ONE) goes hungry here, unless they choose to. We do not allow people to starve here, NOR do we force them to work in order to eat. That's not true elsewhere.

Short answer, as I said...but it's part of the reason.
Many of these illegals who aren't working have their anchors they can live off of also. A few hundred bucks per month of welfare, free lunches for the kiddies and all the other perks of having been dropped on our soil at birth.
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Old 07-30-2010, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If Ariz passed a law which fines employers for hiring known illegals, then why didn't that alone deplete the number of illegals living in ariz? if they can't work, then presumably why wouldn't they flee ariz?
It would have to be done everywhere or they would just migrate from state to state.
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:12 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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If Ariz passed a law which fines employers for hiring known illegals, then why didn't that alone deplete the number of illegals living in ariz? if they can't work, then presumably why wouldn't they flee ariz?
I found this:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/local_news/news_blogs/irvin-commentary%3A-how-effective-is-az’s-employer-sanctions-law%3F (broken link)

Apparently,when they use the E-verify database and are given the OK, it clears the business owner of any wrongdoing.
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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E-verify is nonsense. IT won't help you if you show them fake documents ( aka someone else's ). I think companies should be fined, and it needs to be at least 10% of their yearly earnings. Dosen't sounds much, but 10% will immensely hurt.
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:27 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It is but one piece to the puzzle.

There are many missing pieces to complete the picture.
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:13 PM
 
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E-verify is nonsense. IT won't help you if you show them fake documents ( aka someone else's ). I think companies should be fined, and it needs to be at least 10% of their yearly earnings. Dosen't sounds much, but 10% will immensely hurt.
No it isn't nonsense. E-verify works very well. It has an over 95% accuracy rate.
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