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Old 07-07-2017, 06:55 PM
 
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You do realize without illegal immigrants, the social security system would collapse, right?
Um no, if they weren't here Americans and legal immigrants would be holding those jobs and paying into SS. Also many illegal aliens work for cash and don't have a check to deduct SS from.
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:54 AM
 
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https://www.theatlantic.com/business...-taxes/499604/
"The Social Security system has grown increasingly reliant on this stream of revenue, particularly as aging Baby Boomers start to retire. Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, estimates that about 1.8 million immigrants were working with fake or stolen Social Security cards in 2010, and he expects that number to reach 3.4 million by 2040. He calculates that undocumented immigrants paid $13 billion into the retirement trust fund that year, and only got about $1 billion in benefits. “We estimate that earnings by unauthorized immigrants result in a net positive effect on Social Security financial status generally, and that this effect contributed roughly $12 billion to the cash flow of the program for 2010,” Gross concluded in a 2013 review of the impact of undocumented immigrants on Social Security."
I don't see where it says the system will collapse. It only says "increasingly reliant" on the stream of revenue. That does not sound to me like it would collapse. As someone else mentioned, more Americans being employed at higher pay means more SS taxes being paid than now.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:39 AM
 
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You do realize without illegal immigrants, the social security system would collapse, right?
The top 20% of Americans pay 84% of the taxes. Most illegals (who even work on the books somehow) are low earners so I reaaaaly doubt it
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Old 07-08-2017, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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You do realize without illegal immigrants, the social security system would collapse, right?
Evidence? Or was that statement tongue in cheek?
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Old 07-08-2017, 12:16 PM
 
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You do realize without illegal immigrants, the social security system would collapse, right?
Whatever money illegals are putting into Social Security, it's being done with a fake or stolen SSN. Sometimes that fake SSN belongs to a living person. Those living persons, as well as the outright ID theft victims, get put into a world of hurt. After all, having someone steal your ID or use your SSN under a different name, makes life sheer h*ll for the victims.
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Old 07-09-2017, 05:26 AM
 
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https://www.theatlantic.com/business...-taxes/499604/
"The Social Security system has grown increasingly reliant on this stream of revenue, particularly as aging Baby Boomers start to retire. Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, estimates that about 1.8 million immigrants were working with fake or stolen Social Security cards in 2010, and he expects that number to reach 3.4 million by 2040. He calculates that undocumented immigrants paid $13 billion into the retirement trust fund that year, and only got about $1 billion in benefits. “We estimate that earnings by unauthorized immigrants result in a net positive effect on Social Security financial status generally, and that this effect contributed roughly $12 billion to the cash flow of the program for 2010,” Gross concluded in a 2013 review of the impact of undocumented immigrants on Social Security."
Emphasis on, "“We estimate".

What is the feds record of being right on "estimates"?
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Old 07-09-2017, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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We can shore it up with the more than $113 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us. Those illegals working under the table, at least 50%, since 50% use a stolen ID to work, don't pay into taxes and mooch off the system with their anchor babies and their free emergency room services which they use for general health care including birthing their anchors.

And, it isn't Trump's immigration policy, IT IS THE LAW!
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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The top 20% of Americans pay 84% of the taxes. Most illegals (who even work on the books somehow) are low earners so I reaaaaly doubt it
Agree! visit your local Home Depot early in the morning and see illegals lining up for 'under the table' work.
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