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Old 01-16-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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Is the quran the muslims only book, or do they have other books also, like the old testament ?
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:17 PM
 
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Is the quran the muslims only book, or do they have other books also, like the old testament ?
It is the only book we consider Scripture. However we have numerous other books for reference.

There are 6 books of Ahadith Sunni accept, 12 that Shi'ite. Hadith are eyewitness accounts of what people saw Muhammad do and/or Heard him say. There are probably over 1,000,000 books of Ahadith but most of the have not been verified to anybody's satisfaction as being actual account.

There are also the sunnah in writing and oral tradition, it is how the companions of Muhammad lived and practiced Islam.

There are also numerous Tafsir which are scholastic commentary of the Qur'an. We also have writings from early Muslims and their lives.

Then we have the Madhabs which detail Islamic Jurisprudence.

There are quite a few books dealing with Islam that many of us study, but only the Qur'an is scripture (the word of God)
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:29 AM
 
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Is the quran the muslims only book, or do they have other books also, like the old testament ?
Being muslim means you believe in only Allah, not any other things. Quran is the words of Allah. So Islam=Quran .


People have made the same mistakes as in religions before islam, especially after the death of the prophet and they began to inventing stories about the prophet. These are "hadiths". The people who believe in hadiths says that there are verses in Quran that orders to "obey" prophet. I dont know how wide the field the usage of word "obey" in English, but the arabic origin of this word is used to describe people who were living together prophet. Islamic "scholars" usually translate it as "follow" althought there is no such a meaning of this word. So the changing the meanings of the words is one of the easiest way to drive people. Muslims have been persuaded since from young ages that "scholars" know the best and others have no right to research and reveals different ideas, brain function is completely eliminated.


Here , there are some verses about the prohibition of believe in hadiths;


7:2 A book that has been sent down to you, so let there not be any burden in your chest from it, that you may warn with it; and a reminder to those who acknowledge.


7:3 Follow what was sent down to you all from your Lord, and do not follow besides Him any supporters. Little do you remember!

6:38 There is not a creature in the earth, or a bird that flies with its wings, but are nations like you. We did not leave anything out of the book; then to their Lord they will be summoned

17:39 That is from what your Lord has inspired to you of the wisdom. Do not make with God another god, or you will be cast into hell, blameworthy and rejected

45:6 These are God's signs that We recite to you with truth. So, in which hadith, after God and His signs, do they acknowledge

31:6 Among the people, there are those who accept baseless hadiths to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and they take it as entertainment. These will have a humiliating retribution.

12:111 In their stories is a lesson for the people of intelligence. It is not a hadith that was invented, but an authentication of what is already present, a detailing of all things, and a guidance and mercy to a people who acknowledge


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Old 01-18-2014, 05:44 AM
 
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Being muslim means you believe in only Allah, not any other things. Quran is the words of Allah. So Islam=Quran .


People have made the same mistakes as in religions before islam, especially after the death of the prophet and they began to inventing stories about the prophet. These are "hadiths". The people who believe in hadiths says that there are verses in Quran that orders to "obey" prophet. I dont know how wide the field the usage of word "obey" in English, but the arabic origin of this word is used to describe people who were living together prophet. Islamic "scholars" usually translate it as "follow" althought there is no such a meaning of this word. So the changing the meanings of the words is one of the easiest way to drive people. Muslims have been persuaded since from young ages that "scholars" know the best and others have no right to research and reveals different ideas, brain function is completely eliminated.


Here , there are some verses about the prohibition of believe in hadiths;


7:2 A book that has been sent down to you, so let there not be any burden in your chest from it, that you may warn with it; and a reminder to those who acknowledge.


7:3 Follow what was sent down to you all from your Lord, and do not follow besides Him any supporters. Little do you remember!

6:38 There is not a creature in the earth, or a bird that flies with its wings, but are nations like you. We did not leave anything out of the book; then to their Lord they will be summoned

17:39 That is from what your Lord has inspired to you of the wisdom. Do not make with God another god, or you will be cast into hell, blameworthy and rejected

45:6 These are God's signs that We recite to you with truth. So, in which hadith, after God and His signs, do they acknowledge

31:6 Among the people, there are those who accept baseless hadiths to mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and they take it as entertainment. These will have a humiliating retribution.

12:111 In their stories is a lesson for the people of intelligence. It is not a hadith that was invented, but an authentication of what is already present, a detailing of all things, and a guidance and mercy to a people who acknowledge


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do you mean that the source and reference of Islam is only the Quran
and the Hadith should be ignored completely ??!!
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Old 01-18-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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do you mean that the source and reference of Islam is only the Quran
and the Hadith should be ignored completely ??!!
The number of Qurani seems to be growing. I can not understand how one can follow the Sunnah or a madhab without the ahadith.
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Old 01-18-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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do you mean that the source and reference of Islam is only the Quran
and the Hadith should be ignored completely ??!!
Did you read the verses I have shared. How you still asking me this question ?
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Old 01-18-2014, 06:51 PM
 
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Did you read the verses I have shared. How you still asking me this question ?


The Quran is 6236 verses and they are all integrated
you should not take some verses that suit your desire and ignore the rest.

what you have done is like some one saying Allah is threatening those performers of prayers
and he gives this verse as a proof
107:4 So woe unto those performers of prayers
and he does not mention the next verse


according to your belief and understanding
you do not need to perform the Duhr prayer with four Raakaa
because it is not mentioned in the Quran.



if you only follow the Quran how do you understand these verses
4:80 He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you as a watcher over them.

4:59 O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority;
and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day.
That is better and more seemly in the end.


8:24 O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Apostle when he calls you to that which gives you life; and know that Allah intervenes between man and his heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered.

4:65 But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept with full submission.

24:63 Do not hold the Apostle's calling (you) among you to be like your calling one to the other;
Allah indeed knows those who steal away from among you, concealing themselves;
therefore let those beware who go against his order lest a trial afflict them or there befall them a painful chastisement.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him said ,
“Would any of you think, reclining on his couch, that Allaah would only describe what is forbidden in the Qur’aan?
I tell you, by Allaah, that I have warned and commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is in the Qur’aan, if not more so
The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him
led us in prayer one day, then he turned to us and exhorted us strongly . . . (he said),
‘Pay attention to my sunnah (way) and the way of the Rightly-guided Khaleefahs after me, adhere to it and hold fast to it.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him said ,
“Soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch, narrating a hadeeth from me, and he will say, ‘Between us and you is the Book of Allaah: what it says is halaal, we take as halaal, and what it says is haraam, we take as haraam.’ But listen! Whatever the Messenger of Allaah forbids is like what Allaah forbids





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Old 01-19-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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The Quran is 6236 verses and they are all integrated
you should not take some verses that suit your desire and ignore the rest.

what you have done is like some one saying Allah is threatening those performers of prayers
and he gives this verse as a proof
107:4 So woe unto those performers of prayers
and he does not mention the next verse


according to your belief and understanding
you do not need to perform the Duhr prayer with four Raakaa
because it is not mentioned in the Quran.



if you only follow the Quran how do you understand these verses
4:80 He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you as a watcher over them.

4:59 O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority;
and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day.
That is better and more seemly in the end.


8:24 O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Apostle when he calls you to that which gives you life; and know that Allah intervenes between man and his heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered.

4:65 But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept with full submission.

24:63 Do not hold the Apostle's calling (you) among you to be like your calling one to the other;
Allah indeed knows those who steal away from among you, concealing themselves;
therefore let those beware who go against his order lest a trial afflict them or there befall them a painful chastisement.


Actually I dont want to reply the same things again and again but I feel bad when I do not. Please read my pre posts again and please read the verses you give as an example in this post together before and after verses. You contradict with your own logic.

4:59 says "obey" to the prophet and those in authority amongst you. So then all the words of presidents and governors and judges and parliamentarians etc is "hadiths" , Allah want us to "obey" them. According to your logic that needs to be in this way. Have you a hadith book which is consist of words of Saudi Arabia president ?

4:80 says obey to the prophet, and 4:81 they say: "Obedience," but they behave just the opposite way when they emerge from you . So you live together prophet and you take this verse as you have to obey prophet ?


8:24 says Respond when Allah and prophet calls you for a good job. 8:15 when you encounter with the enemy on the battlefield, do not flee from them.8:20 obey him and dont betray even if you hear his call ..... You can easly understand that this verse is for muslims who had been invented for fight against enemies. Not for you.




Look at yourself in the other verses 4:65 and 24:63 , I dont have time. There are plenty of verses forbids to hadiths. Read them again and use your logic. Research about the meanings of words, you cant understand perfectly just by reading translates.


Salaam Alaikum ...
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Old 01-19-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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wa alaykum assalamu

....Moreover, we would ask these people:
where are the verses which tell us how to pray, or which tell us that the obligatory prayers are five times daily, or ....
Islam Question and Answer - The misguided sect of al-Qur’aaniyyeen
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Old 01-20-2014, 09:21 AM
 
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wa alaykum assalamu

....Moreover, we would ask these people:
where are the verses which tell us how to pray, or which tell us that the obligatory prayers are five times daily, or ....
Islam Question and Answer - The misguided sect of al-Qur’aaniyyeen

Good luck ....
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