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A huge misunderstanding regarding Islam are Women's rights. Hopefully this thread will dispell some of those misconceptions, not only for Non-Muslims but also for some Muslims.
Woodrow, do women worship side by side at your mosque?
Woodrow, do women worship side by side at your mosque?
As my wife and myself are the only Muslims at our Mosque the answer is yes.
We are the only Muslims in the entire county, we made a spare room into a Mosque
As my wife and myself are the only Muslims at our Mosque the answer is yes.
We are the only Muslims in the entire county, we made a spare room into a Mosque
Why do the good people in Indonesia allow this kind of thing to happen?
If you look under the photo captions you will see that is in Aceh. The province is a separatist movement in which the majority of the residents have voted for the province to be 100% Muslim and under full Sharia in all matters. The question arises does a nation have the right to pass laws by majority consensus?
As to what the province calls shariah will depend upon how they define Shariah. There is no single single set of laws that claims to be Sharia. Each of the Madhabs claim to be Shariah as do individual governments. Shariah is what the nation calls Shariah.
The truth is this: Women in societies governed by sharia have far fewer rights than women in the West.
Here are some examples:
A man is entitled to up to four wives, but a woman may only have one husband.
A man can divorce a wife just by making a declaration (talaq) in front of an Islamic judge. The woman does not even have to be there or give consent.
There is no minimum age for marriage. Legal marriage to children as young as 12 or 13 by much older men is common in Muslim-majority countries. UNICEF and other studies state that the top five nations in the world with highest observed child marriage rates — Niger (75%), Chad (72%), Mali (71%), Bangladesh (64%), Guinea (63%) — are Islamic-majority countries where the personal laws for Muslims are sharia-based.
Under sharia, women have less inheritance rights compared to men and lesser status as witnesses.
Under sharia women become subservient to her husband and needs his permission to: "leave the house, take up employment, or to engage in fasting or forms of worship other than what is obligatory." If unmarried, a woman is under the guardianship of her nearest male relative.
Rape is considered a crime in all countries, but Shari'a courts in Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Morocco, Syria and Tunisia in some cases allow a rapist to escape punishment by marrying his victim, while in other cases the victim who complains is often prosecuted with the crime of Zina (adultery).
Islamic law does not grant non-Muslim women the same legal rights as the few it did grant Muslim women. Sharia recognizes the basic inequality between master and women slave, between free women and slave women, between Believers and non-Believers, as well as their unequal rights.
Sharia authorized the institution of slavery, using the words abd (slave) and the phrase ma malakat aymanukum ("that which your right hand owns") to refer to women slaves, seized as captives of war. Under Islamic law, Muslim men could have sexual relations with female captives and slaves without her consent.
The question arises does a nation have the right to pass laws by majority consensus?
People can govern themselves however they want. Some people seem to prefer a dictator. In our country, however, we do not "have the right to pass laws by majority consensus" and I like it that way
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Originally Posted by Woodrow LI
If you look under the photo captions you will see that is in Aceh. The province is a separatist movement in which the majority of the residents have voted for the province to be 100% Muslim and under full Sharia in all matters.
Yeah, I figured the beating of the poor woman took place by the Muslims in Aceh. However, this was my question:
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Originally Posted by hiker45
Why do the good people in Indonesia allow this kind of thing to happen?
I mean, if one of our states passed a law that conflicted with our Nation's laws, we would stop them from enforcing that law. Otherwise, we would implicitly be endorsing the law.
By allowing Aceh people to commit these inhumane acts against women, it makes the government of Indonesia and all Indonesians look very bad, and makes Americans more likely to support a leader who wants to stop all Muslims from coming into the USA.
People can govern themselves however they want. Some people seem to prefer a dictator. In our country, however, we do not "have the right to pass laws by majority consensus" and I like it that way
Yeah, I figured the beating of the poor woman took place by the Muslims in Aceh. However, this was my question:
I mean, if one of our states passed a law that conflicted with our Nation's laws, we would stop them from enforcing that law. Otherwise, we would implicitly be endorsing the law.
By allowing Aceh people to commit these inhumane acts against women, it makes the government of Indonesia and all Indonesians look very bad, and makes Americans more likely to support a leader who wants to stop all Muslims from coming into the USA.
Indonesia seem st be in a bit of a catch 22. Aceh wants independence fron Indonesia same as Western Papua does. The result will be civil war when and if Indonesia gets involved with Aceh.
Indonesia seem st be in a bit of a catch 22. Aceh wants independence fron Indonesia same as Western Papua does. The result will be civil war when and if Indonesia gets involved with Aceh.
Well. it is obvious you know much more about Indonesia than I do. I'm gonna look these places up.
So have you heard what the general population of Indonesia thinks about these women in their country being beaten? I know I would not like hearing about it happening in our country.
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