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Old 10-21-2014, 09:20 PM
 
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of other people inhabiting land
I think for these purposes we are referring to recorded history.There is evidence all over the world, in stone, of previous people.

Do we now change title for Göbekli Tepe


And BTW a 5000 year old stone does not exist if you believe the Adam and Eve story.
The Adam/Eve story is quite vague in the Qur'an. there is very little mention of him and none of Eve by name, All mention of Adam in the Qur'an is in relation to other topics.

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2:31 (Asad) And He imparted unto Adam the names of all things; then He brought them within the ken of the angels and said: "Declare unto Me the names of these [things], if what you say is true."

2:33 (Asad) Said He: "O Adam, convey unto them the names of these [things]." And as soon as [Adam] had conveyed unto them their names, [God] said: "Did I not say unto you, `Verily, I alone know the hidden reality of the heavens and the earth, and know all that you bring into the open and all. that you would conceal'?"

2:34 (Asad) And when We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves before Adam!" -they all prostrated themselves, save Iblis, who refused and gloried in his arrogance: and thus he became one of those who deny the truth.

2:35 (Asad) And We said: "O Adam, dwell thou and thy wife in this garden,and eat freely thereof, both of you, whatever you may wish; but do not approach this one tree, lest you become wrongdoers."

2:37 (Asad) Thereupon Adam received words [of guidance] from his Sustainer, and He accepted his repentance: for, verily, He alone is the-Acceptor of Repentance, the Dispenser of Grace.

3:33 (Asad) BEHOLD, God raised Adam, and Noah, and the House of Abraham, and the House of `Imran above all mankind,

7:11 (Asad) Yea, indeed, We have created you, and then formed you; and then We said unto the angels, "Prostrate yourselves before Adam!" - whereupon they [all] prostrated themselves, save Iblis: he was not among those who prostrated themselves.

7:19 (Asad) And [as for thee], O Adam', dwell thou and thy wife in this garden, and eat, both of you, whatever you may wish; but do not approach this one tree, lest you become evildoers!"
7:26 (Asad) O CHILDREN of Adam! Indeed, We have bestowed upon you from on high [the knowledge of making] garments to cover your nakedness, and as a thing of beauty: but the garment of God-consciousness is the best of all. Herein lies a message from God, so that man” might take it to heart.
17:61 (Asad) AND LO! We said unto the angels, "Prostrate yourselves before Adam"-whereupon they all prostrated themselves, save Iblis Said he: "Shall I prostrate myself before one whom Thou hast created out of clay?"

18:50 (Asad) AND [remember that] when We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves before Adam," they all prostrated themselves, save Iblis: he [too] was one of those invisible beings, but then he turned away from his Sustainer's command. Will you, then, take him and his cohorts for (your], masters instead of Me, although they are your foe? How vile an exchange on the evildoers' part!

19:58 (Asad) THESE WERE some of the prophets upon whom God bestowed His blessings - [prophets] of the seed of Adam and of those whom We caused to be borne [in the ark] with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel and [all of them were] among those whom We had guided and elected; [and] whenever the messages of the Most Gracious were conveyed unto them, they would fall down [before Him], prostrating themselves and weeping.

20:115 (Asad) AND, INDEED, long ago did We impose Our commandment on Adam; but he forgot it, and We found no firmness of purpose in him.

20:116 (Asad) For [thus it was:] when We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves before Adam!"- they all prostrated themselves, save Ibis, who refused [to do it];

20:117 (Asad) and thereupon We said: "O Adam! Verily, this is a foe unto thee and thy wife: so let him not drive the two of you out of this garden and render thee unhappy.

20:120 (Asad) But Satan whispered unto him, saying: "O Adam! Shall I lead thee to the tree of life eternal; and [thus] to a kingdom that will never decay?"

20:121 (Asad) And so the two ate [of the fruit] thereof: and thereupon they became conscious of their nakedness and began to cover themselves with pieced-together leaves from the garden. And [thus] did Adam disobey his Sustainer, and thus did he fall into grievous error.
There are several others that refer to "The children of Adam" and a few that mention how Jesus(as) is similar to Adam. but the ayyats above are the only ayyats that speak specifically of Adam. The Torah account did not need to be corrected. The Qur'an is intended to correct the errors that over time slipped into the past revelations, with that said it should be noted the Torah does not give a date for the creation of Adam.

We have no idea as to how long ago Adam was created. I have found very few Muslims that are "Young Earth" advocates.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:27 PM
 
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The Adam/Eve story is quite vague in the Qur'an. there is very little mention of him and none of Eve by name, All mention of Adam in the Qur'an is in relation to other topics.


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Everything is vague in the Qur'an, you need the Sunnah.
This is where you are at the mercy of your cleric, and what he tells you.

Look at the battle of Badr, it is the most important battle of Islam, and is only mentioned in one sentence in the Qur'an, chapter 8, I believe, but Taburi devoted 50 pages to it.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:30 PM
 
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Anyways, there was no Adam and eve, it was promoted by Judism, and they even got it from an earlier religion, re-written into another story.

Even Mitochondrial Eve is 40.000 years old, impossible for oral reports.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:47 PM
 
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Anyways, there was no Adam and eve, it was promoted by Judism, and they even got it from an earlier religion, re-written into another story.

Even Mitochondrial Eve is 40.000 years old, impossible for oral reports.
and?

That does not contradict anything in the Qur'an.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:54 PM
 
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Sorry, Mitochondrial Eve does contradict the Qur'an, as does every other piece of physical evidence on earth, over 5000 years old.

The Sunnah even has a phony genelogy.
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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Sorry, Mitochondrial Eve does contradict the Qur'an, as does every other piece of physical evidence on earth, over 5000 years old.

The Sunnah even has a phony genelogy.
I am not aware of any geneology in Sunnah (Sunnah means to live as Muhammad(saws) lived. A geneology is not an act for us to follow, nothing to do with Sunnah)

Find me any evidence of Muslims that believe the earth is only 5000 years old. Show be any Islamic teaching that the earth is only 5000 years old?

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Question: According to Islamic beliefs, how old is the Earth?

This frequently-asked question appeared in the Islam Forum: How old is the Earth? Do we accept the old Biblical writings on the subject?

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Islam does not have a set position on the actual age of the Earth, leaving such knowledge to God alone. The Quran does describe the creation of the universe in "six days," but then in other passages indicates that a "day" to us is different than a "day" in God's reckoning of time. (How is a "day" counted anyway, before the sun and earth even existed as they do now?) Basically there is a description of different "phases" that creation went through. Nobody knows the precise period of time and most Muslims accept modern scientific theories about the age of the Earth.
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:20 PM
 
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Islam has a written word for word account of Adam and him speaking with God.


Islam also got the Idea from Judism, and Judism has accurate dates, they claim, but are phony, proven wrong.
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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And Islam has a couple genealogies, all invented of course, but there nonetheless.
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:54 PM
 
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And Islam has a couple genealogies, all invented of course, but there nonetheless.
Show me a single Genealogy that dates back to Adam in the Qur'an or Ahadith.

If there are any genealogies they are the opinions of the individual expressing it and nothing from scripture.
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Old 10-22-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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Here is Adam to Muhammed

Family Tree: From Adam (AS) to Prophet Muhammad (SA) | Majestic Islam
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