[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by binionrat

Back when he (Ben) won a bunch at the Hard Rock the tables rules and methods were very different than now as the story said it was in the early 2000's. Back then (and in the decades previously) they paid 3-2 on a blackjack (6-5 now), the dealers used a shoe with just a few decks in it so counting was possible, and the double up/splitting rules were more leniant. Now with all the continuous shuffle machines and the fact they stuff a lot of decks into it constantly rotating the cards it's useless to try to count cards. I think the original story circulating that he was so called "cheating" is pretty well impossible unless a casino agreed to "change" their rules at the request of a special player or a whale who has a single agreement with that particular hotel.

There is still alot of shoe and double deck games around town that pay 3-2. Nothing has really changed.

[justmethatswhoIam]

Like he does not have enough money already! ha
He should just play for the fun of it

[binionrat]

Hey Moj. Which ones don't have continuous shuffle machines? I live closer to Boulder Station so you know the area. The 3-2 is beneficial but certainly it's the dealing that makes the difference. Any idea which places still use a shoe? ...and don't even get me going on the Dealer Hit Soft 17...Oh, and I found this link which was last updated not too long ago...It's pretty informative.

http://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/

[irishspy]

Originally Posted by binionrat

Back when he (Ben) won a bunch at the Hard Rock the tables rules and methods were very different than now as the story said it was in the early 2000's. Back then (and in the decades previously) they paid 3-2 on a blackjack (6-5 now), the dealers used a shoe with just a few decks in it so counting was possible, and the double up/splitting rules were more leniant. Now with all the continuous shuffle machines and the fact they stuff a lot of decks into it constantly rotating the cards it's useless to try to count cards. I think the original story circulating that he was so called "cheating" is pretty well impossible unless a casino agreed to "change" their rules at the request of a special player or a whale who has a single agreement with that particular hotel.

Funny how this whole story plays out especially with the last one about Phil Ivory cheating in Atlantic city. I think the old Mob had a way to deal with this called a hammer lol. I just chuckle about poker players especially the one I knocked out of a tournament who claimed he was a professional and gave lessons on how to play and asked me if I wanted any lessons. Second round I sent him packing it was the high light of my week. Luck is a big factor most of the time.

[MSchu]

Phil Ivory?

[binionrat]

I agree Irish...It's just luck now...Hopefully not the dealers...LOL

[cowherjaw]

Originally Posted by MSchu

Phil Ivory?

Yes. He 99.44% pure; the other .56% reads the edges of cards.

[MountainBiking]

Ha, ha. Good for Ben Affleck.

[MSchu]

I heard that he took them for 800k a year or two ago... so I guess they got tired of his AP.

it's amazing what happens to the House Edge when you introduce a stand on soft 17!

[cowherjaw]

Originally Posted by MSchu

I heard that he took them for 800k a year or two ago... so I guess they got tired of his AP.

it's amazing what happens to the House Edge when you introduce a stand on soft 17!

What's amazing is that they just don't shuffle the cards earlier since hitting soft 17 isn't that big of a deal and neither is standard card BJ card counting. There is more money to be made counting the side bets than there is counting the actual game or worrying about soft 17. I'm actually suspicious that they care if he was 'too good" or not since it is easy to counter too good if you know who is counting.