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Old 09-24-2016, 09:22 AM
 
Location: NYC
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So, the question is: should a person who willingly denounces their US citizenship still have the full legal rights of a US citizen?

My opinion is "no" and they should be banned from reentering the USA, not even with a visa obtained as a citizen of foreign country.

Need to visit your mother? Have her meet you in Mexico.
No, they do not have the full rights of a US citizen.

But why should they be banned from entering the US with a visa?

If it is granted or not depends on the political relationship between the US and that country.
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Old 09-24-2016, 09:54 AM
 
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OK, ideological debates aside...do I really have to worry about not being allowed to visit my mother or not attending my sister's wedding? Because, if so...perhaps a career in public service isn't for me after all...

I couldn't imagine being barred from my family...no job or amount of money is worth that.

I know the rules are the rules, but it just seems rather mean to me idk. "Don't do this or you'll never see your mom again!" (I know, exaggerating...but still...)

Is it that serious?
What is keeping your mother from visiting you?

And have you cornsidered running for office in the USA? We always need bright young people to help run the country.

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Old 09-24-2016, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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I'm not interested in knowing the rules, I already know them. I was interested in work-arounds.
And now you know there are no work-arounds. So take your time and think things over thoroughly, maybe talk to US Embassy officials and see if you can get a general idea of what they're looking for when it comes to granting a Kenyan citizen a tourist visa, and then make a choice. Whatever you choose, it's not going to be a perfect choice.
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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You will become "stateless". I am not sure if the US signed the relevant UN convention covering stateless individuals, or if it is even relevant since you will be doing this voluntarily. But if you are lucky enough to be able to stay, you certainly can't travel anywhere; can't get a legal job, bank account, driver's' license, etc., etc.
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:36 PM
 
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You're taking things way too personally, I never said the US was horrible.

Also, who said anything about politics?

Also, my mother has her own will, I can't "take" her anywhere. She's not a commodity.
How old is your mother? As parents age they will need help, have you thought about that?

What's your plan for that? You have a mother in the US who gets ill or disabled and you're in another country? Now what?
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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You will become "stateless". I am not sure if the US signed the relevant UN convention covering stateless individuals, or if it is even relevant since you will be doing this voluntarily. But if you are lucky enough to be able to stay, you certainly can't travel anywhere; can't get a legal job, bank account, driver's' license, etc., etc.
The OP has dual US and Kenyan citizenship. He will not become stateless if he renounces his US citizenship, he'll merely become a citizen only of Kenya. And he'll be subject to the entry rules that apply to all Kenyan citizens whenever he wishes to travel to another country, whatever those rules might be (they will differ between nations).
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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How old is your mother? As parents age they will need help, have you thought about that?

What's your plan for that? You have a mother in the US who gets ill or disabled and you're in another country? Now what?
These points are worth pondering whatever the OP decides regarding his US citizenship. Dealing with issues of aging is tough in any case; it's even tougher when you're thousands of miles away from your elderly parents. Lots of people do manage these issues, obviously, but some advance planning is definitely a good idea.
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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The problem is, it's "as far as he knows" which obviously isn't "too far". I think he's the type to get off on feeling a general sense of superiority to random strangers on the internet...not letting things like "facts" get in his way of that.
Are you speaking about yourself?
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:48 PM
 
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So, the question is: should a person who willingly denounces their US citizenship still have the full legal rights of a US citizen?

My opinion is "no" and they should be banned from reentering the USA, not even with a visa obtained as a citizen of foreign country.

Need to visit your mother? Have her meet you in Mexico.
It is the other end of the world - Kenya
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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No, they do not have the full rights of a US citizen.

But why should they be banned from entering the US with a visa?

If it is granted or not depends on the political relationship between the US and that country.
No one says OP should be banned. You are incorrect. The applicant has to show ties to the home country - will OP return to Kenya and why?
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