Guys, it is really cheaper to leave LI/ NY? Or is it a wash? (New York: insurance, violent crime)
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In terms of the bolded, that not necessarily true, as you have plenty of lakes with beaches.
There is no substitute for the Atlantic Ocean. Lake water is not as clean or clear as ocean water. NY coastal weather is cooler and breezier than interior lake weather. Ocean air has far less allergens than lake water. The two aren't comparable, but then again, I grew up on the Jersey Shore. I'm sure from Long Island would think the same.
I have introverted friends in Albany who love it, but it's dead up there. They never go into NYC. The train is 2 1/2 hours (not including travel to station). The cheapest fare is $80 per person round trip. For a family of four, the cheapest train is $320 round. NYC's museums aren't cheap. The American Museum of Natural History's admission costs $16 to $28 per person. If you include admission into a museum plus lunch, this is not feasible for most families.
Amtrak from Viriginia's Historic Triangle to Washington DC. is three hours. The cheapest fare is $60 round trip. The national museums are free. D.C.'s Cherry Blossom Festival in coming up. I gotta say, it feel like a better deal.
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I recommend looking into Trumbull, Branford, Milford, Stonington, Shelton, Wallingford the taxes are lower than Long Island and homes prices as well
Fairfield County suburban towns are very nice. I would add Ridgefield, CT which ex-New Yorkers love.
Connecticut property taxes are significantly lower. However, Connecticut is not tax-friendly toward retirees - social security income is partially taxed, withdrawals from retirement accounts are fully taxed and public and private pension income are fully taxed. So plan on moving in your sixties! In fact, New York is much better for retirees. https://smartasset.com/retirement/retirement-taxes
North of New Haven, there is a small town New England/MA culture. Nothing wrong with it, it's just very different and very isolated. North of New Haven has other issues like Wallingford's drug issues since the early 2000's.
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There is no substitute for the Atlantic Ocean. Lake water is not as clean or clear as ocean water. NY coastal weather is cooler and breezier than interior lake weather. Ocean air has far less allergens than lake water. The two aren't comparable, but then again, I grew up on the Jersey Shore. I'm sure from Long Island would think the same.
I have introverted friends in Albany who love it, but it's dead up there. They never get into NYC. The train is 2 1/2 hours (not including travel to station). The cheapest fare is $80 per person round trip. For a family of four, the cheapest train is $320 round. NYC's museums aren't cheap. The American Museum of Natural History's admission costs $16 to $28 per person. If you include admission into a museum plus lunch, this is not feasible for most families.
Amtrak from Viriginia's Historic Triangle to Washington DC. is three hours. The cheapest fare is $60 round trip. The national museums are free. D.C.'s Cherry Blossom Festival in coming up. I gotta say, it feel like a better deal.
Fairfield County suburban towns are very nice. I would add Ridgefield, CT which ex-New Yorkers love.
Connecticut property taxes are significantly lower. However, Connecticut is not tax-friendly toward retirees - social security income is partially taxed, withdrawals from retirement accounts are fully taxed and public and private pension income are fully taxed. So plan on moving in your sixties! In fact, New York is much better for retirees. https://smartasset.com/retirement/retirement-taxes
North of New Haven, there is a small town New England/MA culture. Nothing wrong with it, it's just very different and very isolated. North of New Haven has other issues like Wallingford's drug issues since the early 2000's.
Never said all cities had crime rates lower than NYC. And honestly comparing Arlington and Virginia Beach to NYC in any way is laughable
That was part of my point. NYC tends to get painted by some super scary place by some especially over the last few years, but crime is still low in comparison to many others. Hell the murder rate in NYC was lower than many entire states as a whole including Florida.
That was part of my point. NYC tends to get painted by some super scary place by some especially over the last few years, but crime is still low in comparison to many others. Hell the murder rate in NYC was lower than many entire states as a whole including Florida.
I would sure hope so? NY is a city, so I would think an entire state other than like RI or something would generally have a higher overall murder/crime rate.
NYC 8 mil, State of Florida 23 mil.
I would sure hope so? NY is a city, so I would think an entire state other than like RI or something would generally have a higher overall murder/crime rate.
NYC 8 mil, State of Florida 23 mil.
By rate it is referring to not overall amount, but per population (usually expressed per 100,000). For example, California has more murders than any other state, but that is mostly due to a larger population than any other stat, and it often ranks in the middle rate wise, Louisiana typically has the highest rate.
By rate it is referring to not overall amount, but per population (usually expressed per 100,000). For example, California has more murders than any other state, but that is mostly due to a larger population than any other stat, and it often ranks in the middle rate wise, Louisiana typically has the highest rate.
This is an incorrect way of looking at violent crime. The rate of violent crime doesn't matter unless it's similar to Mexico, El Salvador, or South Africa where society grinds to a halt because of it. What matter's is the rate of random violent crime. Gangbangers killing each other has no effect on me. I don't care about drug-dealers robbing each other either. I'd suspect that Louisiana's rate of random crime is much lower than NY's or CA's. Unless you live in the hood, you're safer (if even marginally) in Louisiana than in NY or CA.
This is an incorrect way of looking at violent crime. The rate of violent crime doesn't matter unless it's similar to Mexico, El Salvador, or South Africa where society grinds to a halt because of it. What matter's is the rate of random violent crime. Gangbangers killing each other has no effect on me. I don't care about drug-dealers robbing each other either. I'd suspect that Louisiana's rate of random crime is much lower than NY's or CA's. Unless you live in the hood, you're safer (if even marginally) in Louisiana than in NY or CA.
Even on a county by county basis (or in Louisiana parish by parish) the homicide rate is higher than NYC in many areas of the south, not just the hoods.
Anyway the main point was in looking at factors of moving south, expecting a lower crime rate than Long Island certainly isn't one of them, and isn't one of them either compared to NYC despite the press NYC gets from some regarding crime.
I think it really depends on your line of work. I know for me, New York City is the number one market in the country for me so I stay here for that as well as many other reasons. For me moving elsewhere, would mean a pay cut so large that it wouldn’t make it worth it. But for some fields, it might be worth it. Example, there are a lot of banks and finance companies down in the Carolinas. But for a teacher, you are going to make bank on Long Island versus anywhere else.
I think it really depends on your line of work. I know for me, New York City is the number one market in the country for me so I stay here for that as well as many other reasons. For me moving elsewhere, would mean a pay cut so large that it wouldn’t make it worth it. But for some fields, it might be worth it. Example, there are a lot of banks and finance companies down in the Carolinas. But for a teacher, you are going to make bank on Long Island versus anywhere else.
Yeah but it’s relative in many areas.
You aren’t always necessarily taking a pay “cut”.
Some areas $60 or $70k is the equivalent of $120k in the NY metro area, and for the most part the housing stock will always be much lower priced. For anyone that really wants out, if you do a little homework and some math, you may just find the perfect place. If you flat out live breathe and die NY/LI, well, ain’t much you can do aside from snagging the highest paying job you can.
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