The official Rick Pitino Abortion-gate thread (Louisville: how much, live, move)

[Cattknap]

QUOTE from Off Topic "On the other hand, if we're going to say that infidelity is grounds to be fired, we're setting a pretty high bar for humanity. I'm not ready to say that everyone in America who commits adultery should lose their job and be publicly humiliated."


"we're setting a pretty high bar for humanity.".......so you think the bar should be lowered to match the sinking standards of humanity? I think many human beings (thank goodness) are inspired and influenced by the raising of the bar not the lowering of it. It is just this kind of thinking that serves as an excuse for despicable behaviour in the world today.

To many of us who are married, those vows before God are promises of the highest standard but I can see that you are of the opinion that because so many do commit adultry that somehow that serves as an acceptable excuse for their actions and therefore adultry should not be judged in the same manner as other unacceptable social and moral actions. So, you think that unless someone commits an actual crime, there is no basis for judgment or sanction? Interesting and sad point of view in my mind. I have never been an advocate of the "everybody is doing it so that makes it acceptable" philosophy.

I do not believe in abortion but this really has only a little to do with my low opinion of this coach - my opinion is based on the totality of his reprehensible actions.

I also think teachers should be held to a higher standard of morality - do you not understand the power of a teacher's example over his students?

[missymomof3]

Originally Posted by Off Topic

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(I also have to say I'm somewhat surprised that everyone seems to be ignoring that he is almost certainly the victim of an extortion attempt.

I've done said that that woman is trash and is trying to get money out of anybody she can (Pitino AND her ex) and doesn't deserve a dime. And as fas as the abortion, once again they killed an unborn child to cover up a sex act that didn't even stay covered up. They both deserve what they get.

[missymomof3]

Originally Posted by cattknap

quote from off topic "on the other hand, if we're going to say that infidelity is grounds to be fired, we're setting a pretty high bar for humanity. I'm not ready to say that everyone in america who commits adultery should lose their job and be publicly humiliated."


"we're setting a pretty high bar for humanity.".......so you think the bar should be lowered to match the sinking standards of humanity? I think many human beings (thank goodness) are inspired and influenced by the raising of the bar not the lowering of it. It is just this kind of thinking that serves as an excuse for despicable behaviour in the world today.

To many of us who are married, those vows before god are promises of the highest standard but i can see that you are of the opinion that because so many do commit adultry that somehow that serves as an acceptable excuse for their actions and therefore adultry should not be judged in the same manner as other unacceptable social and moral actions. So, you think that unless someone commits an actual crime, there is no basis for judgment or sanction? Interesting and sad point of view in my mind. I have never been an advocate of "everybody is doing it so that makes it acceptable" philosophy.

I do not believe in abortion but this really has only a little to do with my low opinion of this coach - my opinion is based on the totality of his reprehensible actions.

I also think teachers should be held to a higher standard of morality - do you not understand the power of a teacher's example over his students?

amen!

[Off Topic]

Originally Posted by Cattknap

"we're setting a pretty high bar for humanity.".......so you think the bar should be lowered to match the sinking standards of humanity?

I have to say I do not accept your premise that this is an example of the sinking standards of humanity. I think it's a fact that there has been marital infidelity from about one day after the institution of marriage was developed. It's hardly some new innovation. (Heck, even the Bible is full of examples.) People have been complaining about the sinking standards of humanity since 200 BC, and that is no exaggeration. So to me, it's less a lowering of standards than it is a recognition of the human frailties we all have.

Originally Posted by Cattknap

To many of us who are married, those vows before God are promises of the highest standard but I can see that you are of the opinion that because so many do commit adultry that somehow that serves as an acceptable excuse for their actions and therefore adultry should not be judged in the same manner as other unacceptable social and moral actions.

And I think that standard your suggest is the one we should try and achieve. Please note I did not say his conduct was acceptable. I said it wasn't a crime, it wasn't worth this violent reaction, and it wasn't worth being fired over. I'm all for trying to live up to our promises to God, but it seems to me that He also discussed the importance of forgiveness and not being judgmental.

Originally Posted by Cattknap

I do not believe in abortion but this really has only a little to do with my low opinion of this coach - my opinion is based on the totality of his reprehensible actions.

So if we remove the abortion angle -- which at this point, we don't have all the facts -- you have this exact same reaction to all people who make this error? I'm going to suggest there is a little more to your almost virulent opinion than just the infidelity issue, but that's just a guess. Could the abortion angle be adding to this for you? Could you have disliked him even before this?

Originally Posted by Cattknap

I also think teachers should be held to a higher standard of morality - do you not understand the power of a teacher's example over his students?

Absolutely I understand. And again, I'm not condoning his behavior. I'm just saying that there has been too much over-reaction. There is a middle ground between condoning his behavior and him losing his job. That's where I am.

I see the lure in setting higher standards for certain people, like coaches and teachers. They are role models and have higher ethical responsibilities. But then, so do police officers. And doctors and nurses. And attorneys. And politicians. And clergy. And the military. Are we going to fire any one of those people and publicly humiliate them when they make this mistake? Are you really in favor of that?

If you are, I again suggest the bar is being set too high for human beings. I'm not ready to fire every teacher, coach, police officer, doctor, nurse, attorney, politician, clergyman, and military officer who commits adultery. Reprimand them, yes. Repercussions, yes. But terminate their employment? No.

[Cattknap]

I'm so glad that you "see the lure in setting higher standards for certain people, like coaches and teachers." I'm all for setting higher standards for everyone and sticking to them. I think having to live with the consequences of our choices is often very difficult, but that is the way we human beings learn to make correct choices. I do not advocate taking those consequences away. Fine if you don't agree. You have never met anyone that is less into sports than I am - I never heard of the coach until the other day, so please stop trying to draw conclusions about my personality from your predisposed opinions.

[Off Topic]

Originally Posted by Cattknap

I'm so glad that you "see the lure in setting higher standards for certain people, like coaches and teachers." I'm all for setting higher standards for everyone and sticking to them. I think having to live with the consequences of our choices is often very difficult, but that is the way we human beings learn to make correct choices. I do not advocate taking those consequences away. Fine if you don't agree. You have never met anyone that is less into sports than I am - I never heard of the coach until the other day, so please stop trying to draw conclusions about my personality from your predisposed opinions.

Relax -- not one single sentence of mine was meant as a personal attack on you.

I find it very, very difficult to believe that any Kentucky resident had not heard of Rick Pitino until a few days ago, but I have no reason to think you are not being truthful about that. So let's look at this from a less isolated angle and answer me just one question:

Since you think we all should be held to the highest standards of morality and be held accountable if we don't make the correct choices (and not just those persons with some public trust), do you think a person should lose their job if they commit adultery? If you don't, then we are in agreement, because that is about all I am saying here. Now, if you do think that is an appropriate consequence of infidelity, then you are correct that we will not be agreeing on this issue.

I am honestly interested in hearing your answer.

[Thecitylol]

Originally Posted by Cattknap

I think he is not worthy to be called a teacher of anything - the guy is without any personal integrity.

I knew that when he came here. Hes not a horrible person but hes no denny crum

[beadster]

he's a basketball coach people.The decisons he made, are between him, and his god, and the people surrounding himl. Move on and mind your own bussiness...

[missymomof3]

When you put yourself in the public eye and even worse, lead a group of people and are supposed to be an example to them, you make it everyone else's buisness.

[beadster]

Simply being in the public eye, does not make your personal life everyone's business. Its society today that we are so obseesed with whos having sex with who. Whos cheating. Who's having kids. Who is having a boob job. As I said before people need to spend more time dealing with their own lives instead of judging other people