Referendum Questions: What were MA voters thinking? Treat nurses like slaves, and let men use women's restrooms. Huh? (Worcester: fit in, live)

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I think women in men's bathrooms is way more common than vice versa. I see it with relative frequency. I've honestly never heard any of my women friends ever say anything about men in their bathroom.

I still can't fathom why where somebody goes potty matters. These knuckle draggers must freak out when they go to Europe and encounter a female bathroom attendant. Women using the mens room is pretty much every crowded bar in Murica. Why would anyone care if some gender-confused male wants to use the womens room?

[tysmith95]

Question 3 has been law for years. Not many issues have occured. Really who cares. Gender isin't black and white for everyone.

And for question 1, I don't think that should have been a ballot question. The majority of voters aren't familiar with nurse staffing situation. Really it's a labor dispute that should be handled by the unions or the legislature, not through a ballot. I voted against it because I don't want more regulation unless it's necessary.

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by inquisitive2

Many people voted no on it because they knew that ultimately management would've used it to their advantage by reducing full time staff and hiring more per diem.

This too. My post was lengthy, but the point was that whie the intention of a "yes" vote is good, there are a million and one ways that the result would be far more negative than intended (and our healthcare system will be worse off than it currently is).

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

I still can't fathom why where somebody goes potty matters. These knuckle draggers must freak out when they go to Europe and encounter a female bathroom attendant. Women using the mens room is pretty much every crowded bar in Murica. Why would anyone care if some gender-confused male wants to use the womens room?

I freak out when I have to pay to use a bathroom in Europe.

[tysmith95]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I freak out when I have to pay to use a bathroom in Europe.

Ehh I actually like that. In the US it can be hard to find bathrooms sometimes, cause many businesses don't want to deal with having public ones.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by tysmith95

Ehh I actually like that. In the US it can be hard to find bathrooms sometimes, cause many businesses don't want to deal with having public ones.

It was a joke.

[TAM88]

Originally Posted by 9162

It is interesting that MA voters decided to enforce the almost slave like environment imposed on med/surge nurses in MA hospitals lately, refusing to restrict, or limit the amount of patients these nurses have to provide care for. With many MA hospitals, it is currently almost impossible for many nurses to get all of their work done now as it is within an eight hour shift, often requiring nurses to work 12 hour shifts just to catch up on paper work.

You do realize a lot of nurses (I am not saying all) work a 12 hour schedule, right? So it's not as if nurses are being paid for 8 hours and need to then work 4 hours unpaid to finish writing their notes.

I also think suggesting nurses work in "slave like" conditions is laughable and completely over-blowing the situation.

Question One was a union driven bill, hardly a shock, that was poorly written.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

I think question #1 needs to be solved on a individual hospital approach, and not with a shotgun blanket law. I have a lot of family that are nurses and I think the reason they were so split on it is because what would benefit one hospital if the bill passed, would hurt another.

SO I still think there is a problem, but the voters rejected that measure as the way to solve it.

Spot on.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

The world must be a terrifying place when you believe every ghost story.

Those who supported a YES vote (taken from Wiki): 250 businesses, 350 clergy and congregations, 14 labor unions, 16 "women's and victim's advocacy groups," Boston Children's Hospital,[7] "every major New England professional sports team" including the Red Sox, Celtics, Bruins, and Patriots,[8] 29 mayors, Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association, Massachusetts Major City Chiefs, Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, Massachusetts ACLU, politicians from both parties in the state House and Senate, and "the entire Massachusetts Congressional delegation."[9]

Yeah, 'the left' was really bullying this one through

Most of those of those surprise me, especially the professional sports teams. When was the last time you saw any of them (think John Henry in particular) NOT jump on board the latest PC pop culture thing of the day to promote? "The entire Massachusetts Congressional delegation." really??? Probably the most the most one-sided Democratic delegation in the country, even Lynch has become a wingnut as of late.

[Partial Observer]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Tell a lie long enough and eventually people will believe it, or scream "hater!" as loud as you can to anyone daring enough to start asking for facts or rational. This bully tactic is a common ploy of the far left in achieving their goals, ones which won't stand up to the scrutiny test. Read "Rules for Radicals".


But does this really shock you with an electorate that reelected Maura Healy as A.G.?

You have very strong opinions about our local politics. I think you should probably register as a voter here, so you can put some weight behind those opinions.