In The Army Can You Request SERE Training If You Are Not Special Forces? (officer, positions)
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Ok, I did research the Army and its' jobs. Now I know MUCH more than I did before about the Army and its' jobs.
I narrowed my list of interested in jobs to 10 or 11 (depending on if Crypto Linguist - Analyst is the same thing as Cryptologic Linguist) in addition to my list of special operations jobs that I looked up individually then crossed-out one by one as I decided on ones I wasn't interested in or that I wouldn't qualify for or be able to apply for right away.
This is my list of non special operations jobs:
Bridge Crewmember (honestly sounds like an exciting job)
Cryptologic Linguist
Crypto Linguist - Analyst (this may or may not be the same thing as Cryptologic Linguist, I haven't been able to find out yet)
Signals Intelligence Analyst
Combat Engineer
Food Services Specialist
Parachute Rigger
Hospital Food Services Specialist
Telecommunication Operator/Maintainer
Fabric Repair Specialist
This is my list of special operations jobs:
Calvary Scout
If I decide to go special operations route, I think it would be better to already be IN the Army THEN apply for Army Special Forces as the qualification test for Army Special Forces has a high failure rate even for experienced soldiers and if at any time during the qualification process AND the training process while being enlisted under a 18x Special Forces Candidate contract I fail: I will immediately be re-assigned as an 11B Infantrymen.
My choice as of right now if I decide to go special operations route would be Calvary Scout or some other choice in the Army, then Army Special Forces, maybe then 75th Rangers Regiment, and if I'm really lucky or just skilled enough I might be picked to be a part of something that may or may not exist.
What Army occupations personally do you think would prepare me well for applying for Army Special Forces, if I were to go that route?
What Army occupations personally do you think would prepare me well for applying for Army Special Forces, if I were to go that route?
Any slot at 75th Ranger Regiment-literally. Cook or supply at the Regiment, is still ahead of any other possibility to get you ready physically and mentally.
Ok, I did research the Army and its' jobs. Now I know MUCH more than I did before about the Army and its' jobs.
I narrowed my list of interested in jobs to 10 or 11 (depending on if Crypto Linguist - Analyst is the same thing as Cryptologic Linguist) in addition to my list of special operations jobs that I looked up individually then crossed-out one by one as I decided on ones I wasn't interested in or that I wouldn't qualify for or be able to apply for right away.
This is my list of non special operations jobs:
Bridge Crewmember (honestly sounds like an exciting job)
Cryptologic Linguist
Crypto Linguist - Analyst (this may or may not be the same thing as Cryptologic Linguist, I haven't been able to find out yet)
Signals Intelligence Analyst
Combat Engineer
Food Services Specialist
Parachute Rigger
Watercraft Operator
Hospital Food Services Specialist
Telecommunication Operator/Maintainer
Fabric Repair Specialist
This is my list of jobs that would help me get into special operations:
Calvary Scout
If I decide to go special operations route, I think it would be better to already be IN the Army THEN apply for Army Special Forces as the qualification test for Army Special Forces has a high failure rate even for experienced soldiers and if at any time during the qualification process AND the training process while being enlisted under a 18x Special Forces Candidate contract I fail: I will immediately be re-assigned as an 11B Infantrymen.
My choice as of right now if I decide to go special operations route would be Calvary Scout or some other choice in the Army, then Army Special Forces, maybe then 75th Rangers Regiment, and if I'm really lucky or just skilled enough I might be picked to be a part of something that may or may not exist.
What Army occupations personally do you think would prepare me well for applying for Army Special Forces, if I were to go that route?
New Post: Sorry, I couldn't edit my post so I had to post another one. I left out Watercraft Operator and forgot that Calvary Scout is not special operations.
I just read the list of MOS's eligible for joining the 75th Ranger Regiment. CAVALRY SCOUT IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR JOINING THE 75TH RANGER REGIMENT.
GeorgiaTransplant, I don't know what you mean by 'any slot at 75th Ranger Regiment'.
Do you mean to say that I should be in the 75th Ranger Regiment BEFORE applying for Special Forces? I was thinking about it the other way around, since I was under the impression that the 75th Ranger Regiment was more 'advanced' or 'elite' than Army Special Forces.
Last edited by ColorsWolf; 07-28-2013 at 02:24 PM..
The 75th Ranger Regiment is not more 'advanced' or 'elite' than an SF Group. An SF Group is not more 'advanced' or 'elite' than the Regiment. They are two faces of the same coin.
75th Ranger Regiment is a very disciplined, highly trained Light Infantry unit. Their mission is to attack and kill the enemy. They operate in platoons (30 men), companies (100+ men), and battalions (500+ men). There are 3 Battalions, a Regimental Headquarters, and the training pipeline. Most Rangers are 11B (light infantry), many are support MOSes.
The premier school for leadership in the Army is Ranger school, a 3-month suckfest, and the goal is for most Ranger Regiment soldiers to go to that school if they stay in the Regiment. It is not a requirement to pass Ranger School first to be in the Regiment, and it is not a requirement to be in the Regiment to go to Ranger school-many combat arms officers and NCOs go just to hone their leadership. You keep your original MOS after attending Ranger School, so there is such a thing as a 'Ranger-qualified cook' or a 'Ranger-qualified supply sergeant', but most are combat arms, such as a 'Ranger-qualified cav scout'. Howver, there's also such a thing as a 'cook who served in the Regiment but didn't attend Ranger school', a 'cook who didn't go to Ranger school and doesn't want to and didn't want to serve in the Regiment', etc., etc.
Special Forces is a very disciplined, highly trained unit who operate typically in teams of 12. There are 5 Special Forces Groups, which consist of dozens of these teams and their support structure, a US Army SF HQ, and the training pipeline. Their MAIN mission is to liaise with and train indigenous military forces, and they are geographically oriented (e.g. 1st SF Group works primarily in Asia and the Pacific). Direct action (think 'Black Hawk Down') is something they train for, but is not their main purpose in life.
SF Qualification course is ONLY for NCOs and officers selected for Special Forces service. If they pass selection (a 3-week suckfest), they then go to Qualification. If they pass that, they change their MOS; the cook is now a Special Forces (18-series) NCO, and will remain one for the rest of their career.
MOST Soldiers don't go SF immediately; they gain experience in other units and specialties first.
Being in the Rangers is NOT the same as being in an SF Group; they are BOTH considered Army special operations forces, but have very different missions, mindsets, and environments.
Many Rangers start in the Regiment, and then leave to go to the traditional Army.
Many Rangers start in the Regiment, and then leave to go to SF Selection and become a Special Forces operator.
Very few SF Soldiers go to Ranger.
It doesn't make SF better, it makes it different.
No duh cav scout isn't in the Regiment. Tell me something I don't know, and do it less hysterically. But it's a good MOS to learn the basics of tactics, discipline, physical fitness that will serve you well in the SF pipeline.
Being ANY MOS in the Ranger Regiment is a good introduction to special operations and will prepare you for SF Selection.
Being an Infantryman (light) is a good introduction to physical fitness and troop leadership and will put you in a position to prepare yourself for SF selection.
Being a Cav scout is also good and will put you in a position to prepare yourself for SF selection.
Ok, so what you're saying is that Cavalry Scout is a good choice if I were to start with that. Good. Thanks for the information.
I'm having trouble finding information about this, but do Cavalry Scouts actually still ride horses? I know it was rather silly of me not to realize this, since IT'S IN THE NAME. Wow, I feel a little thick for over-looking this simple thing.
If they do still ride horses, how do they go undetected? Horses are not exactly 'easy' to be stealthy with or they at least don't 'seem' stealthy.
I've also heard about cross-training, what exactly is this and what is the advantage of it rather than just doing your enlistment then applying for another military occupation?
Ok, so what you're saying is that Cavalry Scout is a good choice if I were to start with that. Good. Thanks for the information.
I'm having trouble finding information about this, but do Cavalry Scouts actually still ride horses? I know it was rather silly of me not to realize this, since IT'S IN THE NAME. Wow, I feel a little thick for over-looking this simple thing.
If they do still ride horses, how do they go undetected? Horses are not exactly 'easy' to be stealthy with or they at least don't 'seem' stealthy.
I've also heard about cross-training, what exactly is this and what is the advantage of it rather than just doing your enlistment then applying for another military occupation?
No. They don't ride horses. They ride armored vehicles.
Ironically, I still can't find anything about cross-training on the GoArmy website or by doing a web search. My recruiter mentioned it and I was just wondering what exactly it entails.
Ironically, I still can't find anything about cross-training on the GoArmy website or by doing a web search. My recruiter mentioned it and I was just wondering what exactly it entails.
It's taking people from one MOS and doing an informal training program to bring them up to speed on another: e.g., taking an wheeled vehicle mechanic and training them to fix tanks. It's nothing to get too excited about, and is kind of informal and based on the needs of your unit.
It's taking people from one MOS and doing an informal training program to bring them up to speed on another: e.g., taking an wheeled vehicle mechanic and training them to fix tanks. It's nothing to get too excited about, and is kind of informal and based on the needs of your unit.
To be honest, Cavalry Scout sounds like it is the military job I've been interested in for awhile now. I wanted to be an information gathering kind of person who physically goes into the field, is superbly trained, and who's main mission is reconnaissance over neutralization.
Hence a very useful application of my favorite and most desired subject: Survival.
Ok, so what you're saying is that Cavalry Scout is a good choice if I were to start with that. Good. Thanks for the information.
I personally know/knew at least three soldiers who where 19D's. Scouts. They later went into the Intel MOS's...
I have met a lot of Rangers. My son lives in Columbus, Georgia and knows a lot of Rangers.
The United States Army Rangers are an elite infantry unit of the United States Army. Rangers serve in designated U.S. Army Ranger units or are graduates from the United States Army Ranger School.
Being in the Army is one thing. Playing Army can get real boring. Being in "the Field" gets boring.
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Originally Posted by ColorsWolf
I'm having trouble finding information about this, but do Cavalry Scouts actually still ride horses?
No. Perhaps the few who ride in parades.
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Originally Posted by ColorsWolf
I've also heard about cross-training, what exactly is this and what is the advantage of it rather than just doing your enlistment then applying for another military occupation?
In the Army cross training allows you to change your jobs (MOS). Sometimes you have to re-enlist for a different MOS, a different MOS school. But you don't get that big Re-Enlistment bonus. VRB...
That is one big advantage to the Army. If you figure it out. If you throw the right die. You can get some interesting jobs. But what is interesting for me, might not be interesting for you.
So here is a tip or two from a Retired U.S. Army soldier who has had over five MOS's.
1. Look at the schools which have feeders into Warrant MOS's
2. Look at the MOS schools which are the longest.
3. Look at schools which may lead into Language schools, research ASI's (Additional Skill Identifiers)
Last edited by Poncho_NM; 07-28-2013 at 05:09 PM..
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