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Someone mentioned in this thread (I think) Sugar Sammy as an example of Bill 101 kids coming of age and not being *alien* to French-speaking Quebec. I heard an interview of him where he said his best language is English, that he learned English playing with kids in his neighborhood (children of other Allophone immigrants who also went to French schools). He said all the kids in the neighborhood spoke English to each other. I believe he grew up in Côte-des-Neiges.
Sugar Sammy's represents what happened in the Côte-des-Neiges borough of the 80's/early 90's, and generally speaking areas west of Autoroute Decarie. This whole area represents 20% of the population of the metropolitain region, maybe. Immigrants who settle elsewhere (and there are tons now in francophone suburbs) tend to integrate to the francophone majority.
Sugar Sammy's represents what happened in the Côte-des-Neiges borough of the 80's/early 90's, and generally speaking areas west of Autoroute Decarie. This whole area represents 20% of the population of the metropolitain region, maybe. Immigrants who settle elsewhere (and there are tons now in francophone suburbs) tend to integrate to the francophone majority.
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I've exchanged with Charles Castonguay on this issue a number of times.
You're meeting VIPs and you're telling us...just now?! What did he say?
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Sugar Sammy was born in Montreal in 1976. He is just a bit younger than me. He was born the year the PQ was first elected and they passed Bill 101 one year later. So he was on the leading edge of kids who went to French school when their parents probably never imagined that this would happen after they immigrated to "Canada".
Sugar Sammy actually speaks French with a very slight Anglo-Montrealer accent.
That was me. Sugar Sammy as I said was born in 1976.
And do you know why he makes bilingual shows? 'cause his French is so bad that he needs to resort to English... He was born in 1976 (we have now 2019) and still hasn't learnt French perfectly and tries to destroy it instead....
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Here's what one would call an *anecdote*:
Someone mentioned in this thread (I think) Sugar Sammy as an example of Bill 101 kids coming of age and not being *alien* to French-speaking Quebec. I heard an interview of him where he said his best language is English, that he learned English playing with kids in his neighborhood (children of other Allophone immigrants who also went to French schools). He said all the kids in the neighborhood spoke English to each other. I believe he grew up in Côte-des-Neiges.
I read on wikipedia that Sammy Sugar went to Mariannopolis college (mega English!) and later to McGill university (ultra English!). Obvioulsy he has no passion for French and ditched it as fast as he could.
Sugar Sammy is a prime example of an Allophone who cannot be forced by law to become francophone, he is a prime example of an Allophone turning into an anglophone despite our (ultra-weak) laws.
Sugar Sammy's represents what happened in the Côte-des-Neiges borough of the 80's/early 90's, and generally speaking areas west of Autoroute Decarie. This whole area represents 20% of the population of the metropolitain region, maybe. Immigrants who settle elsewhere (and there are tons now in francophone suburbs) tend to integrate to the francophone majority.
Côte-des-Neiges now is evenly divided into 1/3 franco, 1/3 anglo, 1/3 allo.... If he didn't integrate 25 years ago into the Franco-community, the allophones of today certainly won't either (as Côte-des-neiges is becoming less and less franco). And I think his parents only have send him to french school because the anglo schools were not on his next bus line. Maybe the government should subventionize bus lines to franco schools and around anglo schools, there should be construction zones and lots of red traffic lights, that would help to boost french again.
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You're meeting VIPs and you're telling us...just now?! What did he say?
You are using him as a POSITIVE example???
Sugar Sammy is ANTI-French and pro-English!
Look, he has made an attack on the French language with this poster:
And do you know why he makes bilingual shows? 'cause his French is so bad that he needs to resort to English... He was born in 1976 (we have now 2019) and still hasn't learnt French perfectly and tries to destroy it instead....
I read on wikipedia that Sammy Sugar went to Mariannopolis college (mega English!) and later to McGill university (ultra English!). Obvioulsy he has no passion for French and ditched it as fast as he could.
Sugar Sammy is a prime example of an Allophone who cannot be forced by law to become francophone, he is a prime example of an Allophone turning into an anglophone despite our (ultra-weak) laws.
Côte-des-Neiges now is evenly divided into 1/3 franco, 1/3 anglo, 1/3 allo.... If he didn't integrate 25 years ago into the Franco-community, the allophones of today certainly won't either (as Côte-des-neiges is becoming less and less franco). And I think his parents only have send him to french school because the anglo schools were not on his next bus line. Maybe the government should subventionize bus lines to franco schools and around anglo schools, there should be construction zones and lots of red traffic lights, that would help to boost french again.
If you are going to allow "the others" (sic ) into the tent, you have to allow them to have their own opinions and influence things. Keeping them out because they'll *contaminate* you is exactly the old Duplessis era mindset, and which is what let to 90%+ of immigrants assimilating to the anglophone community prior to Bill 101 being adopted.
Anyway, I am not even sure that Sugar Sammy actually thinks what he says in his act. He's a comic, not a politician. Part of his thing is to provoke people. I've heard him say before that Bill 101 was a good thing, because without it he never would have learned French.
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Anyway, I am not even sure that Sugar Sammy actually thinks what he says in his act. He's a comic, not a politician. Part of his thing is to provoke people. I've heard him say before that Bill 101 was a good thing, because without it he never would have learned French.
And BTW, his French is fine.
Pretty much like Yvon Deschamps used to do. He exagerates to get his point across. I've seen him a few of his shows and I don't think I have ever laughed so much. He shoots in all directions, no one is spared.
If you are going to allow "the others" into the tent, you have to allow them to have their own opinions and influence things. Keeping them out because they'll *contaminate* you is exactly the old Duplessis era mindset, and which is what let to 90%+ of immigrants assimilating to the anglophone community prior to Bill 101 being adopted.
Anyway, I am not even sure that Sugar Sammy actually thinks what he says in his act. I've heard him say before that Bill 101 was a good thing, because without it he never would have learned French.
this isn't a compliment towards Bill 101 - this is shade! He basically said he would have not cared about French if he had not been forced to do so. He admitted to having the typical Anglo-American attitude of "Wherever I go, I get served in English and even if I immigrate to other countries, I will always and forever stick to English, isolate myself in an Anglo-community and never learn the language of the local majority unless I'm forced by law to do so."
Your American boyscout wisdom should consider that when you invite people to your tent, that they have to bring fruit and vegetables, otherwise they can construct their own tents.
Nobody ever banned him from attending francophone CEGEP or UdM or UQAM.
Yeah we allowed him to choose from...and guess what he took. McGill and and Anglo college.
That's why Allophones should have no choice.
Acajacky, we are still waiting for you to tell us how your conversations with Charles Castonguay have been!
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I've seen him a few of his shows and I don't think I have ever laughed so much. He shoots in all directions, no one is spared.
I knew he is very manly, but I had no idea that his virility is so strong.
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And to the anonymous person who sent me a reputation comment...
Awingna han!
Maybe that was Sugar Sammy? Or your wife? who wants to send you a signal that you and your kids should spent less time online? or Bostonkid? or Fusion?
this isn't a compliment towards Bill 101 - this is shade! He basically said he would have not cared about French if he had not been forced to do so. He admitted to having the typical Anglo-American attitude of "Wherever I go, I get served in English and even if I immigrate to other countries, I will always and forever stick to English, isolate myself in an Anglo-community and never learn the language of the local majority unless I'm forced by law to do so."
this isn't a compliment towards Bill 101 - this is shade! He basically said he would have not cared about French if he had not been forced to do so. He admitted to having the typical Anglo-American attitude of "Wherever I go, I get served in English and even if I immigrate to other countries, I will always and forever stick to English, isolate myself in an Anglo-community and never learn the language of the local majority unless I'm forced by law to do so."
Your American boyscout wisdom should consider that when you invite people to your tent, that they have to bring fruit and vegetables, otherwise they can construct their own tents.
Nobody ever banned him from attending francophone CEGEP or UdM or UQAM.
Yeah we allowed him to choose from...and guess what he took. McGill and and Anglo college.
That's why Allophones should have no choice.
Acajacky, we are still waiting for you to tell us how your conversations with Charles Castonguay have been!
I knew he is very manly, but I had no idea that his virility is so strong.
Maybe that was Sugar Sammy? Or your wife? who wants to send you a signal that you and your kids should spent less time online? or Bostonkid? or Fusion?
You really need to lighten up. Sugar Sammy is a comedian, for heaven's sake. It's an entertainer's role to lampoon and poke fun at institutions.
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Today is the birthday of this topic - its one-year anniversary, happy birthday to this theard, thank you all for contributing, let's celebrate 
) into the tent, you have to allow them to have their own opinions and influence things. Keeping them out because they'll *contaminate* you is exactly the old Duplessis era mindset, and which is what let to 90%+ of immigrants assimilating to the anglophone community prior to Bill 101 being adopted. 
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