The shrinking Catholic Church in Quebec (legal, places, Russians)

[Suesbal]

It isn’t the 1950s anymore.
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-am...-for-outreach/

[KerrTown]

The French Revolution has finally arrived in Québec!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

The French Revolution has finally arrived in Québec!

More accurate to say it arrived in the 1960s.

[KerrTown]

Originally Posted by Acajack

More accurate to say it arrived in the 1960s.

It was hard to tell if it was Vatican 2-related. The post-war period in Western society unleashed reaction against traditional norms and mores.

(I was also reading something last night that mentioned that Québec was aghast at the anti-clericalism of the French Revolution.)

[barneyg]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

It was hard to tell if it was Vatican 2-related. The post-war period in Western society unleashed reaction against traditional norms and mores.

(I was also reading something last night that mentioned that Québec was aghast at the anti-clericalism of the French Revolution.)

The turn away from the Catholic Church that was ultimately called the Quiet Revolution in Quebec had nothing to do with Vatican II. People got fed up with the conservative PM in power in the 1950s (Duplessis, whose rule is now called la grande noirceur i.e. the Great Darkness). He had very close ties with the Catholic Church so they were collateral damage.

As far as today’s Quebec goes, that 1960s shift has had a significant effect on almost every aspect of society, way beyond whether people still go to church or not.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

(I was also reading something last night that mentioned that Québec was aghast at the anti-clericalism of the French Revolution.)

That would have been a pretty long time ago.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

It was hard to tell if it was Vatican 2-related. The post-war period in Western society unleashed reaction against traditional norms and mores.

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There were movements for change all over the world, but as barney said in Quebec it was more due to internal factors.

Vatican II affected the entire Catholic world. Some places still remained fairly devoutly Catholic even after that. So what happened in Quebec wasn't really a reaction to it or an effect of it.

[BOORGONG]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

It was hard to tell if it was Vatican 2-related. The post-war period in Western society unleashed reaction against traditional norms and mores.

(I was also reading something last night that mentioned that Québec was aghast at the anti-clericalism of the French Revolution.)

I think that the whole of French society, except for the revolutionaries who were for the most part acting on behalf of the bourgeoisie that had started to replace the nobility, were aghast at the terror that happened.

The French revolutionaries killed an immense number of clerics, prelates, priests and nuns, much like the Russians did later, but probably worse in relative terms.

[Suesbal]

My guess is most priests now in Montreal have to say Mass in more than one language.

[KerrTown]

Originally Posted by Suesbal

My guess is most priests now in Montreal have to say Mass in more than one language.

Can they say the Tridentine Latin Mass without legal repercussions from the government of Québec? Of course the sermons would be in both in French/English (or English/French) not in Latin by decree of the Council of Tours in 813 AD.