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Actually, don't they have a political board for these sorts of discussions?
They do. But local political issues will get lost there. So as long as you all stay calm and respectful and focus on the local aspect,a thread like this can in theory, stay in a state forum.
Yac.
You are correct that age and attending a university has a direct correlation to political identity. There is an adage:
If you are not a liberal when you are 20 you have no heart and if you are not a conservative by the time you are 30 you have no brain.
It is hyperbole to an extent but such things strike a chord because more often than not, they have a strong basis in truth.
It is also noteworthy that only three states had all of their counties go red, Alaska, Oklahoma and West Virginia.
Well, since we've been given the green light for this discussion, and we are keeping it calm and respectful, I will say that no state has been damaged as much by globalism as has West Virginia. Our state has seen it's best industries decimated, and people here are working 2 part time jobs at Walmart and Walgreens just to survive. A once proud population has largely been reduced to begging just to support their families. Anybody who is a "globalist" in our state has to have their head ... well, in the sand.
Well, since we've been given the green light for this discussion, and we are keeping it calm and respectful, I will say that no state has been damaged as much by globalism as has West Virginia. Our state has seen it's best industries decimated, and people here are working 2 part time jobs at Walmart and Walgreens just to survive. A once proud population has largely been reduced to begging just to support their families. Anybody who is a "globalist" in our state has to have their head ... well, in the sand.
I disagree. This state's entire economy was built on coal production, a very labor intensive process. However, even before coal production began to diminish here, machine technologies were already decreasing the workforce required to operate coal mines. Here's an article that demonstrates the cost of coal power production and a comparison to other power sources: It’s Hard To Tell Whether Trump Supports Renewable Energy — And That May Not Matter Much | FiveThirtyEight
Coal is going belly up because it's simply not cost-effective in this day and age. You can put whoever you want in the oval office, but the only way they'll start building coal-burning power plants again in this country is if you start subsidizing coal production, which would be futile given the abundance of natural gas under our feet. There's been a paradigm shift in how we power the grid, and coal is the past and will remain in the past barring some sort of new coal-related tech. Even if the new administration were to remove all regulations related to clean air, any utility would hesitate at building a coal plant for fear that the swinging pendulum of politics would bring clean air regulations back in another 4-8 years.
Globalism is a natural outgrowth of enhanced travel and communication. Denying the continued influence of globalism is akin to denying climate change or evolution.
I disagree. This state's entire economy was built on coal production, a very labor intensive process. However, even before coal production began to diminish here, machine technologies were already decreasing the workforce required to operate coal mines. Here's an article that demonstrates the cost of coal power production and a comparison to other power sources: It’s Hard To Tell Whether Trump Supports Renewable Energy — And That May Not Matter Much | FiveThirtyEight
Coal is going belly up because it's simply not cost-effective in this day and age. You can put whoever you want in the oval office, but the only way they'll start building coal-burning power plants again in this country is if you start subsidizing coal production, which would be futile given the abundance of natural gas under our feet. There's been a paradigm shift in how we power the grid, and coal is the past and will remain in the past barring some sort of new coal-related tech. Even if the new administration were to remove all regulations related to clean air, any utility would hesitate at building a coal plant for fear that the swinging pendulum of politics would bring clean air regulations back in another 4-8 years.
Globalism is a natural outgrowth of enhanced travel and communication. Denying the continued influence of globalism is akin to denying climate change or evolution.
I disagree. This state's entire economy was built on coal production, a very labor intensive process. However, even before coal production began to diminish here, machine technologies were already decreasing the workforce required to operate coal mines. Here's an article that demonstrates the cost of coal power production and a comparison to other power sources: It’s Hard To Tell Whether Trump Supports Renewable Energy — And That May Not Matter Much | FiveThirtyEight
Coal is going belly up because it's simply not cost-effective in this day and age. You can put whoever you want in the oval office, but the only way they'll start building coal-burning power plants again in this country is if you start subsidizing coal production, which would be futile given the abundance of natural gas under our feet. There's been a paradigm shift in how we power the grid, and coal is the past and will remain in the past barring some sort of new coal-related tech. Even if the new administration were to remove all regulations related to clean air, any utility would hesitate at building a coal plant for fear that the swinging pendulum of politics would bring clean air regulations back in another 4-8 years.
Globalism is a natural outgrowth of enhanced travel and communication. Denying the continued influence of globalism is akin to denying climate change or evolution.
I agree with part of what you are saying. The problem is not the clean air... scrubbers have been taking care of most of that on American plants for decades, it is the CO2 emissions restrictions. There is very little pollution from coal burned in American plants. However, you are correct that concerns about faulty science again ruling the day would certainly be an issue for future plants. In part, that is why WVU and the Chinese have partnered in research to find ways to eliminate the CO2 issue, even though CO2 releases have varied since the beginning of time and are much more closely related to volcanic activity than power plant emissions.
Coal production will not be increasing any time soon in this country. Most of that reduction is the result of artificially imposed restrictions, but part is also related to new natural gas supplies, there can be no denying that. The real issue is the damage done by these restrictions actually has the opposite effect than what is intended. Americans lose jobs from them. Production here becomes more expensive, and manufacturing jobs are lost too. With open borders for trade, the wealthy are happy to move production to countries that have zero restrictions on emissions, and pollution actually increases. It is a net loss for Americans, and a net gain for the cheap labor countries. If the Chinese have to choose between pollution and not having the jobs, unlike our current administration, they will gladly take the jobs.
There was plenty of travel and communication before the wealthy elitists forced us into the "global" economy, which basically only benefits the rich. In fact, they sell their cheaply made crap for as much as they used to sell much higher quality American merchandise. We do not have to put up with making our workers compete with $8 per day foreign labor. The global initiative needs to be curtailed to protect our middle class and our people. Otherwise, we march ever more steadily toward third world status.
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On a BTU basis, natural gas is cheaper than coal. On top of that, western coal is easier to mine than WV coal, so WV coal costs more.
What does it take to get natural gas into a boiler at the power plant? A pipe. Period.
What does it take to get coal into a boiler at the power plant? A crane to get the coal out of the barge, then onto a conveyor belt to get it inside the power plant, then a crusher to break up the coal and remove the rocks (clunkers), then a pulverizer to grind it down to a powder, then a blower to blow it into the boiler. Then you need an electrostatic precipitator to remove the black solids from the exhaust from the boiler, and some way to dispose of the fly ash.
It costs a lot more to build and operate a coal fired power plant, and nothing about CO2 or nitrous gases has been factored in at all.
Coal won't be coming back, and it is nobody's fault.
I disagree. This state's entire economy was built on coal production, a very labor intensive process. However, even before coal production began to diminish here, machine technologies were already decreasing the workforce required to operate coal mines. Here's an article that demonstrates the cost of coal power production and a comparison to other power sources: It’s Hard To Tell Whether Trump Supports Renewable Energy — And That May Not Matter Much | FiveThirtyEight
Coal is going belly up because it's simply not cost-effective in this day and age. You can put whoever you want in the oval office, but the only way they'll start building coal-burning power plants again in this country is if you start subsidizing coal production, which would be futile given the abundance of natural gas under our feet. There's been a paradigm shift in how we power the grid, and coal is the past and will remain in the past barring some sort of new coal-related tech. Even if the new administration were to remove all regulations related to clean air, any utility would hesitate at building a coal plant for fear that the swinging pendulum of politics would bring clean air regulations back in another 4-8 years.
Globalism is a natural outgrowth of enhanced travel and communication. Denying the continued influence of globalism is akin to denying climate change or evolution.
It comes it goes, it ebbs it flows. Rome had a pretty bang-up economic network stretching to the edges of their known world, by the medieval age if you couldn't make something in your own village, good luck getting it.
History is not a progression towards anything in particular, history does not show "progress" unless history's scope is constrained to only include a slice of time and/or territory. I'll add that globalism is a result of the natural inclination of capitalism to find the most profitable way to operate an organization. So long as it is more profitable to have global supply, distribution, and sales networks, it will continue. Should either governments impose protectionist tariffs and/or regulations, or the market (consumers in this case) start choosing locally made goods, the needle will move in the other direction.
I see no short term reason to think this will happen, but if folks are paying attention to elections around the world, there is a very real populist sentiment out there against globalism and the politicians associated with it. Will it make a difference? I guess we have to wait and see.
Globalism, yes, a lib agenda no doubt. Climate change -- been disproven & don't care to argue this fact. Evolution is from God not Darwin. Period.
Coal has & always will be WV's money ticket. Nat. gas works only where able to supply in US. Maine, can't get it as can't outreach areas as such. Why take away livelihood of miners since conception, w/ this nonsense saying coal matters not? I'd be mad too if my job left due to dems saying I'm destroying environ. Baloney.
Political vote-getting agendas only -- & no more, is the answer as we all know, yes? Why now, is this their agenda? Ha, what a joke this has become, & I stand behind miners needing to support human lives & mouths to feed. Period.
Globalism, yes, a lib agenda no doubt. Climate change -- been disproven & don't care to argue this fact. Evolution is from God not Darwin. Period.
Coal has & always will be WV's money ticket. Nat. gas works only where able to supply in US. Maine, can't get it as can't outreach areas as such. Why take away livelihood of miners since conception, w/ this nonsense saying coal matters not? I'd be mad too if my job left due to dems saying I'm destroying environ. Baloney.
Political vote-getting agendas only -- & no more, is the answer as we all know, yes? Why now, is this their agenda? Ha, what a joke this has become, & I stand behind miners needing to support human lives & mouths to feed. Period.
If you dont care to argue it then dont say it, because it has NOT been disproven, quite the contrary actually. And Evolution is not "from" anybody or thing, it just is. Period.
If you dont care to argue it then dont say it, because it has NOT been disproven, quite the contrary actually. And Evolution is not "from" anybody or thing, it just is. Period.
Colt, you need look up climate change as the arguments vs it suffice, & no way can that be disputed. Evolution from a lib perspective, postulates that even unborn kids don't exist. Need I say more how this is a basterdizaton of Christian virtues, let alone moral or ethical contexts? Man, you need research a bit more before feeling antsy to just rebuke anyone, who has evidence-backed replies or rebuttals to your agenda. You spouted time & again your liberal beliefs. So, now they come to the fore w/ these rampant antithetical statements for the sake of simply drawing the ire of anyone refuting your opinion.
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