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Old 08-20-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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Great review, Ralph! I may actually check this out.
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Old 08-20-2016, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I agree it was a great review Ralph. You made me want to go see it when I was determined not to.
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Old 08-21-2016, 03:37 PM
 
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There is a significant difference in the characterizations of Masala and Judah that make this different ending plausible (necessary, in fact).

In the 1959 version, Masala totally embraces "the dark side" of being a Roman soldier and relishes his role as oppressor. Masala wants Judah as an informant purely for personal gain. Masala is clearly a bad guy and Judah is clearly a bad guy.

In the 2016 version, Masala is a reluctant oppressor honestly doing all he can to protect Jews in general and Judah's family in particular. He needs Judah to direct him to the zealots so that he can steer the vengeful Roman army to those Jews who are the actual terrorists--because otherwise the Romans will simply take revenge on innocent Jews.

When an attempt is made on the life of Pilate, the 1959 Masala knowingly frames Judah's family. In the 2016 version, it is a Zealot being hidden by Judah who commits the crime, and Masala pleads with Judah to direct him to the Zealot rather than allowing his own family to take the blame.

So in the 2016 version, "There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys, there's only you and me and we just disagree."
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Old 08-21-2016, 03:50 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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There is a significant difference in the characterizations of Masala and Judah that make this different ending plausible (necessary, in fact).

In the 1959 version, Masala totally embraces "the dark side" of being a Roman soldier and relishes his role as oppressor. Masala wants Judah as an informant purely for personal gain. Masala is clearly a bad guy and Judah is clearly a bad guy.

In the 2016 version, Masala is a reluctant oppressor honestly doing all he can to protect Jews in general and Judah's family in particular. He needs Judah to direct him to the zealots so that he can steer the vengeful Roman army to those Jews who are the actual terrorists--because otherwise the Romans will simply take revenge on innocent Jews.

When an attempt is made on the life of Pilate, the 1959 Masala knowingly frames Judah's family. In the 2016 version, it is a Zealot being hidden by Judah who commits the crime, and Masala pleads with Judah to direct him to the Zealot rather than allowing his own family to take the blame.

So in the 2016 version, "There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys, there's only you and me and we just disagree."
In the 1959 version, no attempt was made on the life of the Roman governor. And it wasn't Pilate. He hadn't yet been assigned to govern Judea. That came later in the story. Some of the tiles on the roof of the house were loose and fell when Esther leaned on them as the new governor passed underneath. It was an accident.

You did give a good review by the way of the newer version, but I'll stick with the 1959 movie.

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Old 08-21-2016, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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RK, my question is does the lead have the same commanding presence of Charlton Heston?
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Old 08-21-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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Just please remember to use the "Hide"/spoiler function when you start talking in details about major new plotlines in the new version!
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Old 08-21-2016, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Uh oh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/22/mo...ount.html?_r=0
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Old 08-21-2016, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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If you get the chance, watch the 1925 original. It is spectacular (including Technicolor sequences) and helped put MGM on the map.
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Old 08-21-2016, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Smile RK - Thanks for the review!

Female here. I was not into seeing this, however, my husband, I know, really wants to see it.

He did see the one from 1959 - was that on TV? He would have been mighty young for the real movie!

We'll plan to go next weekend, thanks!
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Old 08-21-2016, 05:55 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Female here. I was not into seeing this, however, my husband, I know, really wants to see it.

He did see the one from 1959 - was that on TV? He would have been mighty young for the real movie!

We'll plan to go next weekend, thanks!
The 1959 version of Ben Hur is on TV every year, usually around Easter. But sometimes TCM shows it at other times.
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